I don't recall ever saying anything about GWB taking
out or bringing in anything Lance; why do you attribute
all these things to me that I don't stand for.
I'm content to let GWB serve God in his own way - God is God and
is still on the throne no matter what he does or does
not do. Your ideas about him and about me are pure
fantasy. Best go back to Monty Python ... and
live in his dream world. jt
Your last sentence is that which you, Judy,
should take to 'heart'. You are in a kind of bondage along with D & I.
Anyone who believe that GWB is bringing in the kingdom is, I'm afraid, out to
lunch.
What point is this Lance? That I will not to
understand? I understand what you and JD are saying, I just
don't
believe it is scriptural. As for the Pope ..
well too much has been said about him already. They will saint him as
soon as they come up with a few "miracles" Never mind his unceasing
worship and promotion of the "black madonna" patron saint of Poland who he
gave all glory for saving him from the assassins bullet. I find the
theories of Athanasius and Gregory of Nyz(?) every bit as far
out. Why not go to the Bible and open your heart to the Holy Spirit?
jt
Another example of the point I've been
making. I suspect that David and Izzy would go along with you on this. (I
don't 'count' the K-man anymore. He's altogether too loopy)
Pure
speculation JD - Since the Pope is already massively deceived believing
himself to be the alter Christus why quote him? You can use all these big theological words but
plain fact is
Eve was deceived and Adam chose to
go with her. He chose the voice of the adversary
over
obedience to the voice of
God.
This is your own personal gospel
which says you can be as deceived as you like and make
all the wrong choices and yet still
make it because all that matters is some kind of
perverted
love ... while truth continues to
perish in the streets. jt
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
. sin--the disobedience of a prideful
autonomy which impaired the human capacity to
..... John Paul II
Think about it !!!
Reconciliation is a done deal,
accomplished in the body of His flesh, at His death and inclusive of
all of creation (Col 1:17ff), but there remains those who
are "lost" and "saved," All are reconciled -
some are saved. - a problem . Perhaps the demand on
us is to change our thinking about those concepts. They cannot
have in view the same circumstance as "reconciliation," as I
see it. If reconciliation has a practical application,
would that not include a partnership with God, as the Father, giving
assistance (i.e. Philip 2:12-13) to those who
are His while allowing us (all) to make decisions that are harmful to us on an ontological
scale? The reward we receive for the
practice of "salvation" would be "heaven." The
punishment we might experience as a result of refusing this
partnership is not so much an assignment as it is a reasonable
conclusion to the autonomy we have decided to persue?
As in the story of the prodigal -
heaven (the home) was simply the end of the journey. If
that son had decided to remain in the pen, his "reward" would
have been that reality -- the Father neither
sending him there or DECIDING to reward if he returned.
The definition above, from the thinking of
John Paul, seems to be an excellent contribution to this
subject.
JD
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