DAVEH: ??? Please restate it so a simple minded guy (like me) can
understand your question, Lance.
Lance Muir wrote:
Let me assume DM's inquisitor model
(not employed in some time I might say) and, abbreviate for the sake of
your time:
Do you perceive the James 1
experience such that it enables you to set aside every other
consideration concerning LDS?
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June 02, 2005 23:57
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Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH
DAVEH: Time is my biggest enemy, Lance. I started a big reply to one
of DavidM's posts about 3 or 4 weeks ago, and it is only half
finished. Right now I'm running a sleep deficit, and having fallen
asleep early last night at my computer while reading TT stuff....I am
going to try to lurk more in the future. Besides...I think most TTers
find my thoughts rather boring, being as LDS biased as they are.
Lance Muir wrote:
No 'knows'rings here, Dave. Why
don't you more actively enter the conversation by offering your own
summary of what's been said thus far. Then, please let me know your
opinion/thoughts.
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June 02, 2005 09:58
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Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH
Lance Muir wrote:
DH asks:
1. Did Jesus' ...By some,
yes. Your counterpart would be:The reindentification of 'who jesus is'
by JS. One need not extend this thinking far to conclude that either
the LDS are the 'true christians' or those that reflect the teaching of
Nicea. You do see this do you not?
DAVEH: Yes....however, it is also possible that neither are correct.
ONCE IT IS DEMONSTRATED THAT WE DO NOT WORSHIP, PREACH,
TEACH....THE SAME JESUS THEN, ONE OF US FOLLOWS A FALSE GOSPEL. You do
see this do you not?
DAVEH: OK......I'm following you so far, Lance.
I would like to follow this conversation, tired or not,
through to it's conclusion, should you permit me to do so.
DAVEH: Thank you for leading me by the nose, Lance......please
continue.
thanks,
Lance
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June 02, 2005 01:56
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH
DAVEH: I'm a little too slow (and too tired) to ascertain your
intended message, Lance. If you want me to understand what you are
trying to convey, put it in more simple terms for this dunderhead.
Did Jesus' theology nullify who God is as perceived by the Jews?
As he said....he didn't come to destroy the law, but rather fulfill it.
FWIW.......It seems to me the Jews could say something similar to
you as to what you are saying to me.......
YOU CANNOT PREACH THE GOD YOU
PREACH AND CALL YOURSELF GOD'S CHOSEN IN ANY HISTORIC SENSE
.............You do realize this, do you not?
Lance Muir wrote:
DaveH:I just re-read my
question(s) and, find them rather clear. Please try telling me what YOU
THINK I'm asking. Your analogy breaks down as it has to do with
Older/Newer Testaments and the Incarnation of Christ. What you've (LDS)
done is to have taken orthodox theology and nullified it with a
superceding revelation as to WHO THIS JESUS IS. You then, answer the
question posed by Jesus Himself in Lk 16 differently than every
genuinely Christian group on the face of the earth.YOU DO KNOW THAT,
DON't YOU? YOU CANNOT PREACH THE JESUS YOU PREACH AND CALL YOURSELF
CHRISTIAN IN ANY HISTORIC SENSE. YOU KNOW THIS ALSO DO YOU NOT? I fear
poor old CPL might've thought I was confused as to who you actually
are. I'M NOT!!
Why not take another run
at it just for my sake.
Sent:
June 01, 2005 10:06
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH
DAVEH: I'm not exactly sure of your question, Lance.....But as I view
it, the position of many TTers is analogous to the Jews of Bible
times. In the OT, Scripture gave them a perception of God to which the
staunchly held. So firm in their convictions (as are many TTers), they
had trouble acknowledging the Lord when he finally
appeared....why....because he was more like them than they expected I
suppose. Nor did they buy into additional Scripture being added to
Canon, which is another similarity shared by TTers. Many also failed
to accept new commandments or recognize the NT prophets, rather
stubbornly holding fast to the eye for an eye prophets of the past.
So.....is there really much difference between the closed minds of
the Jews of the Bible in contrast to the way many TTers are receptive
to anything outside what they believe Scripture offers?
Lance Muir wrote:
Who are your teachers? What are their
authorities? What 'teaching' concerning the nature/gospel of God issues
from these teachers and their teaching sources? Just how 'ultimate' IYO
is the James 1 experience?
IMO that which transpires herein (TT) is
somewhat comparable to the 1st and, early centuries between the various
factions who set out to answer such questions as those concerning the
canon of Scripture and, the nature of the Person of Christ.
IMO there exists sufficient similarity between
the Christ believed/lived/preached on the part of the 'camp' of the
non-Mormons for them/us to be identified with the historic 'orthodox'
wing of Christianity. The Mormon 'camp', having taken on board
supplementary 'scriptures' and, a new line of 'prophets' commencing
with Joseph Smith, cannot but fall within a 'non-orthodox' wing of
Christianity.
Other than reversing my designations of
orthodox/non-orthodox, just how might you disagree with what I've said?
I should much like to hear from Dave and Blaine, along with any
'lurkers' on this.
thanks,
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