Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Wherein does the 'Truth' reside??????

Thu, 09 Jun 2005 13:51:37 -0700

I am talking with you  now on TT - not them but for some reason we can never deal with an idea or an issue aside from evaluating and involving other persons - now why is that???

Lance is thinking, Yes but do you resect your Parents?



Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Stuffing controversial matters is not good Lance, it leads to problems later when it comes up to bite you, but it's your choice.  What David and Christine choose to do with their time is between them and the Lord, I am talking with you  now on TT - not them but for some reason we can never deal with an idea or an issue aside from evaluating and involving other persons - now why is that???
 
 
On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:31:06 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I do understand that the 'arts' is a sore point for you, Judy. Rather than pursuing it to no good end, why not just move on to other matters. Should someone else wish to engage you they may do so. By the by, I believe that David & Christine went to see the new Star Wars Movie recently and, IMO, David wrote an excellent review/summary. Were I to name a 'must see' movie just now, it'd be 'Crash'. Now, a house church might have a great conversation following a collective viewing of that. Keep in mind, Judy, that the latter portion of this is not directed to you. 
 
Lance, have you never pondered on the fact that Israel had no "arts" spatial or otherwise; and no entertainments or amusements. You would think God would have instructed the Levites to perform little skits and things to help them to understand what He was telling them wouldn't you?  How could He expect them to stand out there every 7yrs and just hear His Law read to them??
 
On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 06:36:37 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
No need for sorrow, Judy. Neither do I wish for you to trust MY judgment on anything. Be comfortable trusting your own judgment, under God.
 
Entertainment - or a-muse-ment;
Sorry Lance - I don't trust your judgment regarding what God is comfortable with. jt
 
On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 06:00:46 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
God, IMO, is comfortable with you being a cultural luddite so relax on the 'entertainment' front.  
Why of course Lance, these are the ppl who are epistemologically the same as you, so why not?
On another note. Yesterday there was an interview with the late Ann Bancroft in our local paper and when asked to explain her ability to play such diverse roles, she told the Virginian-Pilot in 2001 "To be an actress, you have to be a liar" - so there you are.   Why waste God's time watching and quoting 'good liars?' 
 
On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 04:26:09 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Within the 'Three-Personed God'. It is 'mediated' to us by The Spirit' through The Scriptures. Humankind (women/men) must speak of that which we come to believe (Truth).We are not the final arbiters. What indeed is 'A Proper Confidence'? On TT, I saw it (epistemological humility) best exemplified in Bill, Caroline and Debbie.
 
We do not decide upon a Truth. You do, we don't.
The Holy Spirit leads us into ALL Truth.
Your doctrines are repugnant
You are the personification of them and therefore have not come to a settling of what is and what aint!
The Bible decides upon a Truth, we align ourselves to it. You align to your own ideas.
You have no final authority, other than yourself.

Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts.

We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When we decide upon a "truth,"  finalize that in our mind and even institutionalize the concept, we close the door to further examination.   With that door closed,  we are shut off from amending our point of view.  We stop growing and declare to all who will listen,  "I have arrived by the grace of God, of course."   On the occasion that we institutionalize the matter,  we close the door for re-examination to all others  --  a kind of excathedra statement.   The evangelical church has done this with her doctrine of "inspiration."   It has so formalized the teaching as to make it even dangerous to openingly disuss other possiblities to "verbal and plenary."   A disciple, new to the faith of the Evangelicals,  must quickly learn what can be questioned and what cannot if he/she is to remain within the fellowship.    Perhaps this is true in the high church as well  --  I do not know.  
 
JD
 
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:33:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

JD Paul is surely NOT against knowing but knowing that is final
 
So you say.
Then I can never really know if what you are saying even now is true.
 
Why are you always looking to talk people out of knowing the truth?
Do you want them to end up like you, questioning everything?
Or so you can then become the one (the authority) to point them in to the way right behind you?
Prov 22 That I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth; that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee
 
Maybe that is why you struggle with addictions.
JN 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It has occurred to me that if we speak and write with the view in mind that we at the beginning of another day of learning,  our hearts and minds will be more open to what God has instore.  Perhaps our doctrinal statements should not be "as if written n stone.'   But reflective of the growth that will begin again with the start of a new day. 
 
We would do less fighting and more growing. 
 
That is what I Cor 8:1-3 is saying,   ----   is it not?  Paul is surely NOT against knowing but knowing that is final, a closed systems of knowledge.  
 
Jd
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