What? I am serious. Please answer the question. I ignored you little shot about the old man shining through. That is just the way you are. Fine. But my questioning is pertinent to this "shining" theology. Works-oriented people believe that what we do is a part of the judgment factor by the Lord. How does that work, in your opinion, Izzy?
Pnce again (and no insults intended at all).
Soo, if say 95% of the time your actions manifest love , joy, peace -- your life is defined by that negative 5%??? You are "victorious most of the time but the "real you" is that small part that is negative and expressive of the "old you -- ala Eph 4:20-24?
JD
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Then the Old Man still ain't dead. Iz
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Soo, if say 95% of the time your actions manifest love , joy, peace -- your life is defined by that negative 5%??? You are "victorious most of the time but the "real you" is that small part that is negative and expressive of the "old you -- ala Eph 4:20-24?
JD
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You can't "express" the fruit of the Spirit unless you ARE IN the Spirit. You can fake it for short periods of time, but the real you will always come shining through. Izzy
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That is exactly what I mean by "the truth." We sinners have so much going for us than creative ways of doing things wrong. AT THE SAME TIME, we can be concerned with our physical health, with doing a better job at work, with helping others with their needs and expanding on that ministry, with developing
a deeper prayer life, growing in the ways we express ourselves to others, increasing our _expression_ of love, joy, peace, kindness and the like ---- and more. The list above can be as long as one has time to write. To imagine that God zooms in on one consideration, as important as it may be, to the exclusion of the larger picture (much larger) of who we are and what we are becoming is somewhat preposterous, to me.
Jd
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If what you mean by 'the truth' has to do with our relationship with God through Christ in the power of the Spirit then, yes and, Amen.
It is relational in nature and, ought to include TT to some extent. John 17 ain't reflected herein. Were the Mormons to be truthful (I just didn't wish for them to conclude:'see, I told you we weren't like THEM-(US)) the same diversity and discord is reflected therein also.
It's a human thingy.
----- Original Message -----From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: June 09, 2005 08:39Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ApocryphaThe "duh !!" response was the only thing I could think of at the time. Judy had once again put me in the category of teaching the doctrine of men, for some reason, while entering into a discussion of what she did the other night at church. She defends this rather unusual procession of thouhgt by giving me a brief lesson on becoming comformed to the image of Christ ......................... as if my primary concern is something other than this. Hence "duh !!"I personally believe that we change because of our relationship with The Truth more than because of conceptual correctness. There is the opinion here on Tt, it seems, that God cannot accomplish growth in an individual if there exists any sin in his/her life. If the goal of God is to create a people who think correctly on all matters, then He has failed if a single consideration is wrong. But if the goal is relational in nature and substance, God's success in our lives will be demonstrated in spite of our sins or errant thinking. Correct?Jd
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You had implied in the past that you & yours are the only ones capable of inteligent discussion. Was that the OLD JD?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:If you are saying that we are to be like Him, conformed to His image -- I say "duh !!!!!"It appears, howeer that we have regressed into monologue.Jd
I'm talking about Truth and what the PCA have done via the Shorter Catechism is what doctrines of menare doing constantly - you included JD. Since His works were done before the foundation of the world andit is written that we are predestined to be conformed to the "image of Christ" then it follows that this should be the 'chief end of man' doesn't it? - That is if God's Word means anything to us at all .... and this has everything to do with relationship with Christ = jtOn Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:56:45 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I am talking about a realtionship with Christ and you are talking about what? Sorry, but I miss your point completely.Jd
Interesting JD,I've been attending an introductory class at the church we have been attending which is PCA. They identify with the Reformation and they like the Shorter Catechism. I can't figure out why the first point in the Catechism does not say that the chief end of man is to be conformed to the image of Christ - after all this is what we have been predestined for and they believe in predestination. (Romans 8:29) jtOn Wed, 08 Jun 2005 15:12:20 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Not too bad of a question. Quite often growth may appear to be vacillation. If we define new birth as a putting on of Christ, emphasis on a relationship, then we might suppose that the resulting validation marking the difference between vacillation and growth is the benefit can see in the occurring changes. If I am a better person, growth has occurred. If I have become more distasteful, something is wrong with the relationship. After all, that is the way relationships work. Soooo, "truth" can be said to exist IN THE BELIEVER if that believer becomes more and more like Christ.JD
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JD are you Growing or Vacillating?
