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I'm sorry if what I'm about to say comes accross as
a little bit gushy Judy but, as to your last statement concerning yourself, I
believe it of you with all of my heart and mind.
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Sent: June 22, 2005 06:35
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
Lance you come across as very passive
and complacent if not patronising. My belief is that the cross
itself is the WIDENESS OF GOD'S MERCY and that now
as scripture says "it is the honor of kings to search out a matter" IOW it is
up to us to "seek the Lord while He may be found" You continue to refuse
to tell me how you personally came to this
"revelation" of the "eternal sonship" and why it is so important to you while
ATST telling me that one who does not believe it is a heretick.
As for me; I am daily seeking the strait gate and
the narrow way that leads to life. judyt
As Rush often says to his callers (in a very
patronising manner which I don't intend herein) 'you've swerved into
something that is utterly profound.' Speaking only for myself Judy, I
believe that the answer to your question is 'YES AND IT IS NO'. As to our
Mormon participants, I believe the answer is more likely to be an
unequivocal 'YES'. How wide is 'THE WIDENESS OF GOD'S MERCY?' IFF, from
God's perspective, Judy Taylor and David Miller, have misunderstood the
matter of the 'eternal sonshiip' of the second Person of the Trinity and,
IFF, when it arises in conversation, they teach it.........well.....shall we
go on?
Lance, in view of our discussion yesterday -
would you say that you and I believe in a different Jesus?
Still waiting ... judyt
Please Dave, read Perry's post of yesterday
then, answer my question. Would you say, in lieu of Perry's 'list' that
we (you and I) believe in a different Jesus? IMO Perry is quite correct
in those distinctions he points out.
DAVEH: No, I do
not recall saying that. However, I believe we all are viewing
the same Jesus, but have different perspectives on what we see.
The Jesus I believe in the same one found in the Bible which is the
same one you believe as you read about him in the Bible. That
does not mean we both view him the same way. Does that make
sense, Lance?
Lance Muir wrote:
Have you said that their's is a
'different' Jesus?
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Sent:
June 21, 2005 00:55
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
DAVEH: Logically, the onus is not upon
me to define the Jesus I believe in, but rather it is on the
person who suggests I don't believe in Jesus. FTR....I have
not said that the Jesus Kevin, you Perry or any other TTer
believes in is a false Jesus.
Lance Muir wrote:
DaveH says "Kevin, I believe in
Jesus." IFF we are going to engage in a conversation that
entails reality, then we have to continue to build upon that
which has been said previously.According to you THE JESUS
TO BE BELIEVED IN IS MOST FULLY AND ACCURATELY DESCRIBED WITHIN
MORMON TEACHING. Is this so? The Jesus believed in by
Kevin, Perry, Lance et al is a false Jesus. Is this not also so?
(unwieldy but, you get my point)What, IYO, are the eternal
consequenses for non-Mormons?
Mr. Moderator:Please grant DaveH
the opportunity of fully answering and,
explaining.
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Sent:
June 19, 2005 23:02
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
DAVEH: FTR Kevin, I believe in
Jesus. Therefore can we conclude that you've made
the judgment rather than God?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
He
will!
He Has!
JN 3:18 He that believeth
on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is
condemned already
DAVEH:
I fully understand that, Perry. But I'd feel more
comfortable
letting God make that judgment than
you.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
>
David,
>
> Romans 10:9,10 : That if thou shalt
confess with thy mouth the Lord
> Jesus, and shalt
believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from
> the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart
man believeth unto
> righteousness; and with the
mouth confession is made unto salvation.
>
>
But, as I have stated before, the right jesus and right
god must be
> at the center of one's faith. I am
not just harassing you, Dave, I
> honestly do
believe that the mormons worship false
gods.
>
> Perry
>
>> From: Dave
Hansen
>> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
>>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
>>
Subject: [TruthTalk] Belief
>> Date: Sun, 19 Jun
2005 00:16:42 -0700
>>
>> DAVEH:
Yeah........Pretty quiet on TT
tonight..
>>
>> Do you believe that
those who believe in Jesus are saved, as I've
>>
heard many Christians proclaim? If belief is inadequate,
what else
>> is needed,
Perry?
>>
>> Charles Perry Locke
wrote:
>>
>>> Dave, this is great.
Midnight, just me and you on TT, mano y mano,
>>> so to speak
:-)
>>>
>>> I guess I am biased in
that way, because both you and Blaine admit
>>> to following the christ and jesus of
mormonism, so it is my opinion
>>> that you
are lost since I believe that they are false gods. If I
>>> thought that you guys were saved in spite
of the teachings of the
>>> mormon church I
would not be spending so much time exposing the
>>> false nature of the mormon church to
you.
>>>
>>> But, the bottom line
is that God makes that ultimate decision, not
I.
>>>
>>>
Perry
>>>
>>
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