DAVEH: Don't you find it just a little bit curious that in a parallel
post that arrived with yours........ Do you think we even agree as to what the Word of God consists
of Debbie? jt
........Do you really think the problem is simply rooted in the vast differences between my beliefs and Perry's? I believe most knowledgeable Mormons have a pretty good perception of the nature of God. I don't think I can say the same about most TTers. Lance Muir wrote: Har de har har (Ralph Kramden for you youngsters). You two illustrate just why there are so many factions on TT.'god' you don't, even by now, have an understanding of one another's meaning of THAT word? Yikes!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> Sent: June 25, 2005 15:51 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] BeliefLancey, The context has changed from our previous discussions, lance. previously Dave has alwayss discussed from the viewpoint of his mormon views...butnowwe are discussing strictly in the context of the Bible. Combine that with the fact that often the words Christians traditionally use mean different things when mormons use them, and we have a problem. For example the word 'god'. Dave asked me if I could find any verses intheBible that indicate that God does not have a body of flesh and bones. Tomethat means 'the Father' automatically. I used "the Trinity" when talking about all three together. I gave him several referencesl. Then he comesbackwith the fact that jesus jad a body after resurrection and he thought Christians believed that. WAIT A MINUTE! When Dave says 'god' he can be talking about the father, or jesus, or the holy spirit, since all three are separate gods to him! I am just tying to find out in which context he is using the term 'god' so wecancontinue. This kind of word play goes on continually when mormonsre-definethe words, and when discussing rekigion with mormons, one must CONTINUALLY be on the alert for redefined words. Good night, Lancey.From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:25:15 -0400 Say goodnight, Gracie!! Is this a comedy routine? Given that you two have been discussing the content of Mormon theology since Joseph Smith was alive, it amazes me that you know so little concerning one another's actual beliefs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> Sent: June 25, 2005 14:11 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] BeliefWe are mixing apples and oranges, Dave. Jesus does have a resurrected body, but the God Father is Spirit...thatis, He ain't got no body. Didn't you tell me in a previous post that we woud discuss thesethingsbased on the Bible? And, didn't you ask if I thought God (the Father)had abody of flesh and bones, and ask for Biblical evidence that he didnot?Iposted several verses that indicate that He does not. Now for the difference in our viewpoints. You imagine that god (the father) has a body since he was once a man, right? however, there isnobiblical verses to support that position...in fact, there are verses,asIpointed out, that indicate the complete opposite. When I say 'God' I usually mean "the Father", but sometimes meanthetriune God. I will try to distinguish which I mean, if it is notevidentfrom the context. Now, when you say 'God', are you referring to the Father, Jesus,theHolySpirit, any of the three, or all three? PerryFrom: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> DAVEH: DavidM's beliefs are reflected in his understanding of thewordofGod as revealed in the Bible. My beliefs are based in LDS theology,whichrecognizes a much broader spectrum of the revealed word of God.So....Isee his presumptions as being based on a narrower database than mine. As for God having a body of flesh and bone (since theresurrection), isthere any Christian who can reasonably think he does not have one considering what Jesus said about his resurrected body of flesh andbone?Is not the basis of Christian belief that Jesus was and remains a resurrected being, consisting of a body of flesh and bone? And ifJesusis God, why would a Christian today not think God now has a body offleshand bone, even though he was correctly identified as having a spiritbodyin the OT? This puzzles me, Perry. I see that the Bible teaches the above,andlogically I assume Christians would agree with what I explainedabove.YetI suspect there are very few Christians who would agree with what Iwroteabove. 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