Maybe.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 10:33
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] All believers
are ONE IN CHRIST
then perhaps it
affects faith--no?
No, I don't think I said it effects faith. I
mean that it doesn't make faith unnecessary.
Debbie
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 8:13
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] All
believers are ONE IN CHRIST
you're saying
that (e.g) transubstantiation effects faith--what controls
faith?
I see how it can be regarded as an aid to
reason, although (as with some other Catholic doctrines, such as the
immaculate conception) it really just pushes the exercise of faith
"further back"; it is still only by faith that transubstantiation
can be accepted. But I agree that this literal sense is not necessary,
and also that it is in itself no guarantee of the "eating" referred to
by Jesus. For me it functions as an insistence that the Eucharist
is more than a memorial, and an insistence on the idea of Christ as
nourishment, and a person can apprehend and appreciate this without the
doctrine of transubstantiation. I think the Eucharist has been so
stripped-down in much of the evangelical community, and that this is
related to a fearful repudiation (or dualistic recasting?) of
sacramentality in general.
I may be misunderstanding you, however. Or
misunderstanding the reality. There is always that
possibility.
Debbie
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 7:36
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] All
believers are ONE IN CHRIST
transubstantiation involves mentally
materialization as an aid to reason--the nature of
symbolism
Jn 6
involves faith--no transubstantiation required--there,
believing transcends seeing even while present to
behold
many who
actually saw what JC did there, that day, in person, did not
believe (in) him
I don't know. But if I ever convert to
Catholicism, I will so think.
Debbie
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005
6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] All
believers are ONE IN CHRIST
are
there Catholics who think this
way--transubstantiation's not an
absolute?
..whether or not you believe in
transubstantiation as some conceive of it, the point this
kind of language tries to make is that Christ himself is
indeed real nourishment, as he said in John 6.
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