Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death was Re:John 16:13,14

[Lance Muir]

A fair observation, Iz.   ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: July 20, 2005 23:39 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death was Re:John 16:13,14 Lance your comments come across to me as you being BT’s biggest fan/protector rather than any sleight against JT, although I know you intend to come across otherwise. You ridicule those of us who pat each other on the back, so to speak, but you do it at least as much as anyone else when it comes to your favorite icons.  No put-down intended. Just the way I see it from this corner of the peanut gallery. izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 3:03 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death was Re:John 16:13,14   May I ask of you and any others with suggestions just how might word 'you don't get it...no matter what Bill says you still won't get it...without it being perceived as coming against your person? ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: July 20, 2005 16:55 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death was Re:John 16:13,14   What you do Lance feels to me like "ad-hominem"  I know you disagree with what you see as my enlightenment tainted doctrine and you don't think that those of us who are not into the "Christ event" the same way you are know what we are talking about.  But then you don't think that those of us who live in the US know anything about this country or it's political stance either and when you do what you do in the way that you do it - you are coming against my person in a way that belittles and demeans and is not Christian.  You may challenge anything I write if you will take the time to do your homework and write a response worth taking the time to read - just leave my person to God.  Thanks.   On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:46:57 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: No Judy, I won't restrain myself! On those occasions wherein I've spoken to my belief as to the genuineness of your discipleship, I quite meant every one. On those occasions that I've addressed, IMO, your 'not getting it', I also expressed my heart/mind conviction.   IFF David has done the same then, there is no hope of achieving 'dialogical status' between Bill & yourself. It shall remain a 'mutual monologue' where never the twain shall meet. Either David is cutting you a remarkable amount of 'slack' or, he is a companion heretic on several issues (IMO-please, Mr. Moderator, take note of this qualifier) From: Judy Taylor   Lance if you have something to say I would be glad to hear you but I'm a little (no a lot) tired of these never ending one liners that constantly remind me of my seeming (to you) ignorance.  If you can show me where I am wrong IN GOD'S WORD I am all eyes and ears. If not, then please restrain yourself.  judyt   On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:28:29 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: YOU KNOW NOT WHEREOF YOU SPEAK!! From: Judy Taylor   Not a very pleasant way to express yourself Bill. If you have had all you can take - it is your problem rather than mine. Be glad to communicate whenever you have recovered.  judyt   On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:44:04 -0600 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Judy, I agree with all of this just fine (in that I am able to draw the distinctions necessary to apprehend your position and based upon those distinctions, find enough common ground to agree with you), but I have had all of you I can take for one day. If you want to address this later, when you are more willing to make an honest effort to apprehend my positions, then I may consider pursuing this. But not until then.   Bill From: Judy Taylor   Good, then we can move on to what the scriptural definitions of life and death might be.   Have we established the fact that God, Satan, and mankind are all spirit and all commune spirit to spirit?. Job tells us "there is a spirit in man and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding (32:8) Moses & Aaron knew "O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh" (Num 16:22) In Proverbs we are told "the spirit of man is the candle of the Lord searching all the inward parts of the belly (20:27) Proverbs also teaches that "perverseness is a breach in the spirit" (15:4)   Where is man's spirit? The spirit is not the body and the spirit is not the mind; the heart of man is his spirit A merry heart makes a cheerful countenance, but  by sorrow of the heart the spirit is broken (Prov 15:13) A man's spirit can sustain his infirmity but a broken spirit who can bear (Prov 18:14) God says "I formeth the spirit of man within him" (Zech 12:1)   Any problem with the above?  judyt     On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:02:16 -0600 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Thank you, Judy. Yes, I am very happy to agree with you on all of these things. Bill From: Judy Taylor Bill, could we discuss some areas where we do agree allowing scripture to interpret scripture because for me it is totally frustrating to have to go the long route by way of Gk philosophy, logic, etc.   Could we agree on the following for a start? God is a Spirit (John 4:24) Man is primarily spirit, soul, and body (1 Thess 5:23) Satan is a spirit (Heb 1:7) he is a fallen angel and angels are spirits   If we can agree on the above then hopefully we can move on to what God means when He speaks of life and death - rather than replicating the errors of the ancients.