What I see in the writings below is a man who knows full well that he cannot insist on
Spirit revealed truth "on every occasion" and, yet, insists upon the infallible belief of infallible understanding -- I guess because he really believes that his thinking HAS to line up with truth or he is lost. And so the Spirit gives infallible understanding (interpretation) the first time, sometimes -- but every time if it concerns certain critical but unnamed doctrines. On other occasions, maturity and joint participation (fellowship) give rise to correct understanding -- but only occasionally, God putting a stop to it if appears that one is getting dependent upon such circumstances. And if I have a doctrine that I claim is from God and DM has an opposing teaching, DM is the preferred teaching because his is infallible while S
mithson's teaching, using just as much if not more scripture is wrong because, well, because it does not agree with the infallible version. Smithson can't be the one who is right if it conflicts with Miller's infallible understanding.
That is the teaching in a NUTshell, as I see it. And a truly understandable teaching it is !!
JD
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From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:26:19 -0400
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14
JD wrote: > Do you believe God gives you the writers "intent" > or not ------------ via the indwelling Spirit? > That has been your stated view in the past. Yes, but not at first read every time. Go back and read Terry's post on this. He said it better than I have. According to when the Spirit reveals it and we are ready to hear it, he reveals it to us.
But you have argued against maturity in the very recent past - as a source for
inspired or "infallible " understanding Now I will say that sometimes he uses our brothers and sisters to help bring us there faster. This is part of his purpose, that we might receive one another all the more. But to think that we are dependent upon our brothers and sisters in order to approach God or know the things of God, that is going too far. God will break that right away. JD wrote: > You have mentioned on several occasions that you have > no formal education in religion -- implying (IMO -- > correct me if I am wrong) that with you and the Spirit > revealing the mind of God, formal education is really not > needed ---- neither is group discussion except for the above > occasion: Wrong implication. I implied no such thing. The times I mentioned such was to point out my inadequecies in communicating with those who have been formally trained. JD wrote: > What you mean to say in the above is this: > God has given you DM, the intent of the scriptures > in question and, if someone disagrees with your > not-interpretation (read: revealed truth), then you > can sit down, discuss the differences and, if the listening > student has the heart, he will be led by the Spirit to the > very same conclusion. Correct? Not exactly, but sometimes. There are some issues I know infallibly. I have pointed out many times that I know and speak infallibly about Jesus being the Messiah. Thus far, it seems to me that you and Lance avoid this topic. I would like to know if you consider it to be infallible when you say that Jesus is Lord? Is that statement subject to error in your viewpoint or not? If it is not subject to error, then is it not infallible?
Are you aware that I gave an answer to this when you first bropught it up. Perhaps you did not get that post. My point? Simple -- which Messiah are you talking about? The one who came
as King of the Jews; the one whose Sonship is eternal? Or some other Messiah? So when discussing issues that I know to be infallible, then, yes, you have the right perspective there. I do not discuss in order to learn from the other person, but to help them see what I see. Yes, this is rather obvious. Most things, however, I do not know in this way. In most things, I am still the student, so discussion takes on a purpose whereby I can sort out my own biases and prejudices that might cloud my perspective of the truth. Peace be with you. David Miller. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
