BT: Paul tells
us that Christ re-gathered all things (Eph 1.10) and that in him all
things have their being or ontological There you go
using one of those “nonbiblical” words, Bill. I had said
something the other day in reference to our ontological status in
Christ, to which you responded that you didn't understand what I was talking
about. I used the term here to give that first statement some
context. Yes, we sometimes use non-biblical terms to
speak to biblical concepts. My gripe has never been that we do this. My
gripe is with the hypocrisy of those who do the same but berate others when
they do it.
Iz:
I find that interesting, Bill, since this whole discussion got started
because you objected to those of us who were using the term "spiritual"
in front of death because you considered "spiritual" to be a nonbiblical
term. So, since then, I've been trying to point out that you, also,
use "nonbiblical" terms all the time.
Right?
You'd better check your
records, Izzy. This whole thing started when I pointed out that Judy too had
been treating a "doctrine of man" as authoritative, namely, Augustine's
doctrine of spiritual death. I had been accused of "touting" Barth
and Torrance, and I was simply pointing out that it was not just the
"libs" who treat others authoritatively. In point of fact, I have never had
a problem with using appropriately indicative language to speak about
biblical concepts, even when that language is "non-biblical." Neither have I
denied the influence of others in my spiritual development. In that same
post I also wrote, "I have been very candid throughout about both my
appreciation of Torrance and the influence he has had upon the formation of
my beliefs -- which is indeed quite significant." The reason that this
thread took off like it did was because Judy took offence that I had
attributed her doctrine to Augustine, claiming instead that he was not
the one who came up with "spiritual death"; that it "is right there in
Genesis." Well, it is not right there in Genesis. It is not anywhere.
On every ocassion it is an interpretation, just as when I read the same
Scripture pertaining to language of death and interpret it in a different
way. So you can keep on pointing out my use of non-biblical termonology if
you like, but it won't make much of a splash on my end of the pool,
'cause I'm not the hypocrite on this one.
Izzy responds: So you really don't object, on
the grounds of being a nonbiblical term, if we use the term "spiritual
death" Bill?
