Was Judas a Christian IYO?
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sin - and the rest of us
Christian's cannot
have demons, Linda. Don't listen to me on this. Just go
to your bible and try to find one who did
.................... not there. As long as the mind is set on
the Spirit to any degree, it can't happen. It didn't even happen in
the OT
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From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>
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Subject: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
You are asking the wrong question, as I wonder about these
things myself
from time to time. Can a true Believer have a demon? Be
"oppressed"? Be
possessed? What's the difference??? I'd like to hear other opinions. izzy
jt:
Yes, Yes, and No. We need to understand that there are two kingdom's
involved here and
the Christian is in the process of transferring from one to
the other. We
are all oppressed from time to time and God allows the enemy
to test us.
Years ago I read a book called "Blumhardt's
battle" about a German
pastor with a
severely demonized parishoner. He spent many
hours praying
with her and
declaring the victory of Christ until she was entirely free. jt
Are all illnesses "demonic" in your opinion --
whether physical or mental or
a combination of both? Martin Luther was a textbook bi-polar. Do you think
that precluded him from being a "Christian," as in a true believer?
Just curious what you think, Bill
> Really interesting analogies, Judy and David.
I'll think about that a
lot.
> By the way, the enemies in the land comment leads me to ask if anyone
knows
> what is the underlying problem with people who are commonly labeled
> "Bi-polar"--up
one day and low the next, and seem to me to always be
looking
> for someone to be angry with. They are commonly treated with
lithium.
I've
> been around someone like that the last couple of weeks (who says she is a
> Christian by the way), and it seems demonic to me. izzy
>
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>
> David Miller wrote:
> >> The concept that the Holy Spirit is working to convict
> >> believers of various sins, such as stealing, lust,
> >> covetousness, etc. is dangerous.
>
> Judy wrote:
> > Why do you see this as dangerous David?
>
> Because people confuse the voice of the Spirit with their own inner
> convictions. Furthermore, they misinterpret the work of the Holy
Spirit,
> and therefore ascribe works to him which are not his. This leads to
error.
>
> Judy wrote:
> > Being conformed to the "image of Christ"
> > does not happen overnight. It is a process,
> > just as salvation itself is a process of past,
> > present, future.
>
> It depends which image of Christ you are talking about. Are you
talking
> about him in his now glorified state? You bet that is a
process. Are you
> talking about Christ as an infant lying in a manger? No, that is not
a
> process. That is an event called being born again.
>
> Judy wrote:
> > An object lesson is given us in scripture ... when
> > after Israel
celebrated the passover and
God led
> > them supernaturally to the promised land. They
> > were instructed to go in and take the land which
> > He would give to them little by little. He did
> > not clear the land all at one time because they would
> > not be strong enough to hold it. (Exodus 23:29,30)
>
> Good object lesson, but look at it closely. They were no longer
slaves in
> Egypt
at this point. Once they crossed that Red Sea
and the waters killed
> the Egyptians that were pursuing them, they were sa ved. They had
> deliverance from bondage to Egypt, which represents our
deliverance from
the
>
> bondage of sin to this world system. What they lacked was possessing
the
> promised land, the kingdom
of God. This is
where faith comes in, and this
> is where the process of growth is important.
>
> We are immediately delivered, but love still is perfected. I may not
sin,
> but that does not mean that I cannot love better. Yesterday I may
have
> helped someone who came looking to me for help, but today I might seek out
> those who need help. Yesterday, I might have known how to lead
someone to
a
>
> hospital to get help, but today I might pray for him to be healed
instantly
> and thereby better help him in his situation. Jesus at one time did
no
> miracles, but his obedience and love were perfected at that time when he
did
>
> minister in miracles and healed the sick, and ultimately gave his life a
> ransom for all, the ultimate _expression_ of love which he did when he was
> more than 33 years old, not when he was 5 years old.
>
> Judy wrote:
> > Likewise when we surrender our lives to Christ
> > we also have enemies on the land (our heart) ...
>
> You have the wrong analogy here, Judy. The enemies of our own heart
were
> when we were in Egypt,
or the unbelief when God tells
us to possess his
> kingdom and we say such is impossible. The enemies in the land, the
> Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, and the Hittites, and the
> Perizzites, and the Rephaims, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and< BR>the
> Girgashites, and the Jebusites... these enemies represent
not defects of
our
>
> own heart, but enemies in the air, principalities and powers and rulers of
> darkness and spiritual wickedness in high places which inspire people to
act
>
> contrary to us and to mock us and to hate us and kill us.
>
> Judy wrote:
> > Those of us who are honest will admit that we
> > were walking in most of Galatians
5:19,21 if not all.
>
> "WERE" is the proper tense. Why do you try and resurrect
it to present
> tense?
>
> Judy wrote:
> > That the land of our heart is inhabited by some enemies
> > is evident by what comes out of our mouths (at times).
>
> Nothing defiling comes out of my mouth anymore. Once it had, yes,
but not
> anymore. I'm sure my rebukes or corrections appear oth erwise to
some on
> this list, as they like to point to such things as evidence of my
> sinfulness, but God knows what is good and right and what is not.
Men of
> wickedness lack discernment of such things.
>
> Peace be with you.
> David Miller.
>
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