Re: [TruthTalk] Blessing vs Curses

[Judy Taylor]

 

 

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:29:43 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I am talking about legalists, Terry  ----------   not "all of us."   

 

jt: So IYO it is legalism to take the Word of God at face value and believe what it says JD?

 

I asume you question my comments beginning with "And you ask why I think y ou and others  ....."   

You assume "scanty information" when, in poitn of fact,  I have been fighting legalism for nearly 40 years now.

 

jt: Then you must be fighting yourself JD; being obedient to God's Word is not legalism.

 

Legalism is the single beggest problem effecting the church and its history goes back to the very first days of the church.   What I said about how a legalist thinks is right on, even I do say so myself !! 

 

jt: Nobody on TT is encouraging others to put themselves under the Levites in this generation JD. You

are imagining things.

 

I was a legalist for years but not one by nature.  Many of my friends are legalists.   A legalist, in by book, is one who requires of others what he, himself, holds to be true.  

 

jt: Then Jesus was a legalist because he had this requirement; one that the rich young ruler was unwilling to

meet along with his followers who left Him in John 6 when they learned what covenant with Him involved.

 

That statement has a couple of limitations.   First, it concerns itself with "fellowship."  " ...  one who requires of others .."  indetermi ning continued fellowship.   And, secondly, it does not include faith in and of Christ. 

 

jt: Faith in and of Christ has certain requirements - Jesus Himself linked sin and sickness. He healed the man at

Bethesda and told him to go and sin no more lest a worse thing come upon Him.  Same with the woman caught

in adultery - "God and sin no more" 

 

In other words, the "definition" assumes that we have named the name of Christ in some meaningful way.   I do not know it you do this.  But I do know of two or three on this forum who do --  hense the word "others." 

 

jt: Are we including Jesus with these?

 

A legalist is the enemy of unity and I have no respect for them at all.  

Intolerance is not to be tolerated !!!  JD

 

jt: How ironic.  Well I guess it all depends what one is willing to unify around.  If it's doing your own thing - then go

for it - but I for one will never be unifying around that with you.

 

 

From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:33:14 -0500
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Blessing vs Curses

Wow!  Amazing!  You got all that about all of us from one comment from Judy.  Which gift enables you to discern these things so accurately with such scanty informatiom from which to draw a conclusion?
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

lust in the "category" of SIN, not demonic possession.  Why not spell out, plainly,what your rules ("categories") are concerning the various levels of discomfort  --  from curse to sin to demonic possession and what is recognized as a part of these categories.   I don't see it in my bible studies.

And you ask why I think you and others are legalists.   Only a legalist would even think this way, IMO

.I know that I do not look for lists or formulas.   the "nine spiritual gifts" is not a complete list  --  but legalists treat that list as if it were intended to be a definitive statement on what is available in terms of "gifts."  And so we have the theology of a legalist  --  steeped in the "rational" and logical, full of lists and formula's and dispensations and the like.  

 

 

 

JD