Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

Wed, 14 Sep 2005 05:40:30 -0700

"Conjecture and personal opinions" of Church Authorities written in Church books  *sigh* CMON
A crafty fellow like you can do better than that.
Why are you afraid of full disclosure?
This is NOT the first time we got into this subject area
it is not the first time you CLAMed up!
 
I hope you won't not hide a "few problems" if you were selling a house. Would you?
Maybe it would be OK to hide if it were your personal opinion. ERR on the side of honesty.


Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
DAVEH:  As I see it, Kevin implied that LDS doctrine teaches that God tempted Adam and Eve, and because of his posts Izzy apparently now believes that I said such.

    Yes Judy.....Kevin does post a lot of LDS related material.  However, much of what he posts is conjecture or personal opinions by LDS folks, and then implies that this represents LDS doctrines.  Sometimes it might, and other times it is merely speculation by those individuals.  As I've mentioned before, LDS doctrines can be found in our Standard Works....the Bible, BoM, D&C and PofGP....which is our Canon of Scripture.  Anything outside that realm is not official doctrine of the Church.  Such things may be true (particularly if they are substantiated by the Standard Works), or they may be opinions, conjecture or speculation that may or may not be true.  But to conclude that they are official doctrines of the Church is not necessarily correct.

    Furthermore, Kevin has at times suggested things that simply are not true.  In the past, I've explained why his conclusions were inaccurate, but rather than acknowledge such, he just continued to spout the same thing....apparently hoping others will believe what he says.  An example of this is when he suggested that there is zero growth of the LDS Church.  Another is when he said that anybody who disagreed with the LDS Church is considered to be an anti-Mormon by LDS folks.   In my opinion, he was trying to persuade others to believe his incorrect conclusions in an effort to denigrate The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints..

    If you have any particular questions about what appears a contradiction to you, or about what any TTers post about LDS doctrines, just ask and I will try to explain it to you as I understand it.

Judy Taylor wrote:
DaveH, Kevin posts excerpts from your own ppl; different Mormon writers - so if what Kevin posts is untrue IYO
are you saying that these ppl are all contradicting one another and that there are all these different beliefs
under the umbrella of Mormonism?
 
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:34:55 -0700 Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
DAVEH:  Therein lies the problem, Izzy.  When you hear other TTers saying something untrue about my beliefs, you assume they are correct.    Go back and read what I posted.  I did not say that God tempted Adam and Eve.....that is what Kevin has been to trying to make you think we believe.

ShieldsFamily wrote:

You keep saying the God tempted Adam and Eve.  The Bible says the Snake did it.  Which one do you believe? iz


DAVEH:  Do you believe the Snake represents God or Satan, Izzy?  If you think LDS folks believe the Snake to represent "God", then perhaps you would logically and correctly conclude that LDS folks believe God tempted man.  If LDS folks believe the Snake represents Satan, then the logic of Kevin's argument falls apart.

ShieldsFamily wrote:

(Ever hear of the Snake, Dave?) iz


DAVEH:  Normally I do not engage you in theological discussions, Kevin.  But I'm having trouble resisting on this one.  Do you literally believe the Bible when it says that God tempts no man to sin?  Assuming the answer is yes, then is it not be true that God did not tempt the only man alive to sin in the Garden of Eden?  For that matter, who tempted woman in the Garden....do you believe LDS folks teach it was God as your below logic suggests?   If not, then why would you use such illogical reasoning to explain why my beliefs are wrong?

    Aarrrrggggggggh......I wish I had the fortitude to not bend my own rules!     :-(

Kevin Deegan wrote:

LDS belief posits that A&E sinned because it was God's plan that they must sin in order to allow them to procreate. This proves that the God of Mormonism is not the same charater as the God of the bible who tempts no man to sin! it is that "Angel of light" that tempts men to sin.

Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

DAVEH:  I find that an interesting response, Perry.  Why do you think it is a pure waste of time to consider what God wanted, and Lucifer frustrated?  Extrapolating that logic, it would be a waste of time for folks to talk about becoming perfect as commanded by the Lord.

Perry wrote:
What is the purpose of this conjecture? Adam and Eve fell, so it is a pure waste of time to conjecture otherwise. 


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