Re: [TruthTalk] The other side of Today's Joke

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You assume that because God is eternal,  man was created as an "eternal" being. 

You now argue that  "image is not the real thing."   How does that apply to the "eternity" of before-the-fall man?  

 

JD

 

 

 
-----Original Message-----
From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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Sent: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:11:46 -0400
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The other side of Today's Joke

Image is not the real thing JD.  You need to do a word study on it

We are to be conformed to the "image of Christ"  This does not make us Him, we are to be

"like" Him.

 

On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:50:16 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>

 

 Someone writes:   What do we have in the Garden of Eden.  

A man and a woman created from the dust of the earth.

 

Not as we know them - we have a man and a woman created in the image of God (who is spirit and who is righteous and holy) to living in a flesh and blood body created from the dust of the earth & animated by the breath of life.   Speculation that demands that we believe that God made two  little gods. 

 

They were created mortal beings and used (I assume) the Tree of Life to continue to live. 

 

Why would a God of life create mortal beings; they were in His image and He is eternal. Death did not become an issue until the day they ate from the wrong tree and caused God to fulfill His promise to Adam.

 

James tells us that God cannot be tempted  A & E obviously were tempted.  God cannot sin.   A & E obviously sinned.   God is omnipresent.   A & E were not.   God can forgive sin.   A & E could not.   God never needs saving.  The Cross was a part of the creation picture.   Which of the two represent His image  --  the male or the female?

 

Jesus is God and He was tempted.  A&E weren't gods and they did sin.  Mormons say man is a god.

I am not saying this; after the fall the only god they emulated was the god of this world. 

 

"Image of God" is an _expression_ that obviously refers to an aspect of the Divine Being.  The question is this:  what aspects of the human experience are expressive of the "image of God?"

 

They were not expelled from the Garden because of their sin  -  rather because they might [continue] to eat of the Tree of Life.  

 

They were expelled from the garden because of Eve's deception and Adam's choice which was sin. 

 

Gen 3:22-24 is quite clear about this.  They were driven from the garden to present them from eating of the Tree of Life.   Did you have a scripture in mind to add to this point?

 

I don't have time to look up scripture right now.. but the idea is that they were no longer eligible to

remain there.  They chose the other tree and God gave them their desire.

 

There is no reason to assume that they were less selfish, conceited and so on that any of us.  But according to OT thinking, these were not sin.    Their story is the account of the first transgression of law. 

 

According to the mind of Christ/God's thinking selfishness, pride and conceit are definitely sin. OT thinking is

basically fallen.  Sin is lawlesness or transgression of the law (1 John 3:4)

 

Adam and Eve were of the same nature after the fall as before the fall.   At least, I have no reasons to think otherwise, at this time.   The account of the "fall" is the very reason I think this way.   It is the "fallen nature" that responds to sin.   If they had the same nature as that of God or the pre-incarnate Christ,  sin would have been impossible.  I am listening but herein is my problem.  

 

So your god is a fallen god from the start JD.  I'll get back to you on this later.

 

Perhaps, in their story we have the beginnings of a Divine Contrast between Law and Grace.   A whole history of mankind under law contrasted with the history of Grace always realizing, of course, that the gracious God is seen everywhere in the OT writings.  

 

Who is she??  You lost me on this.     I see mercy triumphing over judgment.  Yes

 

They were not the only ones created  -   just the first ones......the first of the Chosen People of God. 

Cain was afraid that he would be killed by others.   What others?   There were whole cities in the days of Adam,

Cain and Seth.  

 

I guess so since Adam lived abt 960yrs there is time for a lot to go on during his lifetime.

Certainly.   But I am thinking that Cain was the first born. 

 

 

So we not only have the first of God's creation, we have the first of the Chosen People of God.  JD

 

Not hardly - Just a few generations down the line God wiped out all but eight people and started over.    I said that their story is the story of first of the chosen People of God.  "Not hardly"  ???????????   I would refer you to Lk 3: 23-38.