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Exactly.   that is why Heb 12 IS NOT TALKING ABOUT PUNISHMENT with the word translated "chastening."  I assume you agree with the point. 

 

JD

 

 

 
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Just as He took our sins upon Himself, He took our chastisement upon Himself.  izzy

 

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Hebrews 12:3 speaks of striving against sin (on our part) and for Jesus it was a striving against sinners who cost him his

natural life eventually.  He was not being chastised.  What would he have been chastised for since he only said and did what He

first heard the Father saying and doing?  judyt

 

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Wrong dictionary,  Linda.   This "chantening" comes from a Greek word that speaks to "the opportunity to learn"   or "to receive training  -  correction in that sense;   as one would train an athlete."  

 

In Hebrews 12:3, Jesus is receiving this same correction.   It was hardly "punishment" in His case.  But thanks for your response.  

 

JD  

 

 

 

 

 
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chas·ten    [Image removed] ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (ch [Image removed] [Image removed] s [Image removed] n) tr.v. chas·tened, chas·ten·ing, chas·tens To correct by punishment or reproof; take to task. To restrain; subdue: chasten a proud spirit. To rid of excess; refine or purify: chasten a careless writing style.   [Alteration of obsolete chaste, from Middle English chasten, chastien, from Old French chastiier, from Latin castig [Image removed] re. See castigate.] chas [Image removed] ten·er n.

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chasten

v 1: censure severely; "She chastised him for his insensitive remarks" [syn: chastise, castigate, objurgate, correct] 2: restrain or temper [syn: moderate, temper] 3: correct by punishment or discipline [syn: tame, subdue]

 

 

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I was reading in Hebrews 12 and it occurred to me that "chastening" as in "the chastening of the Lord" is not about God providing events to do the work of slapping his children around and getting them to walk a tight line.   Rather, "chastening" is more rooted in Romans 8:28 and the revelation that God works all things for the good.    Stuff happens.   God uses it to teach lessons.  

 

The storms in the Gulf Coast are not about an angry God teaching His people a lesson.  Rather,  it is about a loving Father who sits down with His children and says,  "Now,  what lessons can we learn from this disgusting disaster?"   

 

Look to Hebrews 12:3.   This passage on "chantening" begins with chastening of Christ at the hands of sinners.   God did not author this event  --  He used it ------- for the good of His eternal Son and  for us all.   When bad things happens,   it is our call --  per passages such as Heb 12  -   to look for the benefit as we partner with a loving heavenly Father.  

 

"Chastening"  is not the bad that comes our way but what we make of that bad circumstance.   When we learn this lesson,  we begin to be partakers of His holiness  (12:10). 

 

If there is a lesson in those storms on the Gulf Coast, it is a lesson for those who are in partnership with Him    --------------------    not for the pagan minded. 

 

Just a thought.  

 

JD