Re: [TruthTalk] Perry & Dave: inquiring minds want to know

[Dave]

David Miller wrote: DaveH wrote: When you set up TT, did you view it as a recruiting ground for Christians to convert others to their way of thinking? No. DaveH wrote: Seems to me that you were encouraging people with divergent ideas to post whatever they wish....yet, wouldn't that be detrimental to those trying to convert others? No, not for those who actually hold to truth. DAVEH:  So then what is the problem that I injected something that you believe influenced Jeff to not become converted to your way of thinking?  IF you actually hold the truth, why would you think I (presumably not having the truth from your perspective) foiled you?  Put the shoe on the other foot....perhaps I had the truth, that influenced Jeff more than your untruth influenced him.  Isn't that a more likely description of what happened?   It would be detrimental to those who are following a system that is not based upon truth, because the truth would challenge any false system. DaveH wrote: IOW....didn't you intend TT for a place for all people to express their views in an effort to convert others if they want....even if it were to draw people away from Christianity? No, not exactly.  Proselytizing is not the issue.  The list is meant to be somewhat more academic than that. DAVEH:  I'm not sure that message has reached all TTers.   :-) I believe that truth holds its own, and I believe that all truth points to Jesus Christ.  Therefore, those who apprehend Truth are apprehending Christ. Many religious organizations work on censorship.  They try and tell people what is true and what is false.  They limit the information available. DAVEH:   Not that much different than some TTers, eh!     TruthTalk is meant to be a more open forum where divergent people, whether Christians or Atheists, whether Roman Catholic or Mormon, whether Protestant or a member of the First Church of Satan, can explain their viewpoints and answer challenges to their viewpoints.  The idea is not to proselytize or convert others, but to discuss truth outside the walls of religious organizations that would normally censor such speech, or at least make contrary viewpoints difficult to express. DAVEH:  It seems to me that some TTers would prefer to limit the divergent views. The idea is that when truth prevails, Christ prevails.  Therefore, there is no need for proselytizing or converting others. DAVEH:  I've sure had the impression that some TTers would like to convert me, and seem to be most frustrated that they can't.   There is only the need to separate truth from falsehood. In the case of Jeff, I think there was a moment where truth concerning the Godhead was being affirmed by both he and myself, but the ultimate direction in which that truth should lead him became clouded when you jumped into the exchange.  I don't even remember right now exactly what was said, but it was an event that I have seen many times before.  It is a way in which the enemy steals seed that has been sown. DAVEH:  Or....perhaps truth really won the battle.....depends on your perspective. I still wonder what Jeff's affirmation of the Trinity meant to him DAVEH:   My interjection did not prevent you from continuing to discuss it with Jeff. and to his relationship to LDS Mormonism.  I also wonder what you think Jeff's affirmation of the Trinity means for his relationship to Mormonism. DAVEH:  I don't recall much about it.  Three years plus is a bit too long for my memory. You speak of the Trinity as being something so obviously contrived, yet Jeff affirmed it rather readily once he accepted the idea that the Trinity does indeed affirm that there are 3 persons and not 1 person.  He had the mistaken notion that the Trinity meant 3  in 1, or only 1 person. DAVEH:   Perhaps he got that impression from the T-Doctrine. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.