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> [Original Message] > From: Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> > Date: 11/8/2005 9:30:54 AM > Subject: [TruthTalk] Dave thinks if you are not a catholic or mormon you are a "protestant". > > Dave, > > If you are interested only in what protestants think, then perhaps you > are on the wrong forum. WILL EVERYONE ON THE FORUM WHO CONSIDERS ONESELF A > "PROTESTANT" PLEASE TELL DAVE SO HE CAN DIRECT HIS QUESTIONS AT YOU? While > the fellowships I attend may have stemmed from the protestant movement, I do > not consider myself a "protestant", per se, even though I share some beliefs > that protestants have...but I consider myself a member of the Body of > Christ, the "church universal". It transcends all man-made denominations and > sects and relies on scripture and not any particular tradition. > > Perry > > >From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > >To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry & Dave: inquiring minds want to know > >Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:59:27 -0800 > > > >* Landmark Baptists believe they pre-date the Roman Catholic Church.* > > > >DAVEH: Thank you for lending a little more insight, Perry. FWIW........ > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landmark_Baptist_Church > > > >.........WIKI has a little to say about it that clarifies what I think > >Kevin has been implying. It seems......... > > > >/The leaders of what would become known as the Landmark movement were James > >Robinson Graves, James Madison Pendleton, and Amos Cooper Dayton (sometimes > >called the Great Triumvirate)./ > > > >..........lived in the mid 19th Century and fostered the notion that > >organization had its inception at the time of Jesus. Do you believe that > >as they do, Perry? Or...do you believe they were founded by the /Great > >Triumvirate/? > > > > As you know, Perry.....my interest is in the Protestants. So, those > >Baptists who lay claim to Protestant roots are those who I tend to cast my > >focus. That there are small congregations or individuals who claim not to > >be Protestant don't capture my attention at this point. But....If there > >are Baptists who are rooted in Protestantism....that's what I am curious > >about. So....that Kevin (or you) are referring to small groups who are not > >associated with Protestantism is really not pertinent to my interests. > > > >Charles Perry Locke wrote: > > > >>Dave, do you consider the Wikipedia to be a reliable source of truth? Who > >>wrote the article? Who are these "Christian church historians". Why is the > >>word "protestant" in quotes? This article has no credits and no citations. > >>Why should it carry any weight other than the fact that it mentions a few > >>points you are trying to make? > >> > >>But, if you prefer Wikipedia for your source of truth, then perhaps you > >>should have read on... > >> > >>"The name Protestant is rejected by some Baptists because Baptists do not > >>have a direct connection to Luther, Calvin or the Roman Catholic Church. > >>They do not feel that they are protesting anything and* Landmark Baptists > >>believe they pre-date the Roman Catholic Church.* Other Baptists accept > >>the Protestant label as a demographic concept that describes churches who > >>share similar theologies of sola scriptura, sola fide, the priesthood of > >>all believers and other positions that Luther, Calvin and traditional > >>reformers held in contrast to the Roman Catholic Church in the 1500s." > >> > >>Notice that first line? > >> > >>On the other hand, I prefer the term "Christian" to any other > >>labels...those who are members of the Body of Christ, regardless of from > >>which tradition they come, what "denomination" of fellowship they attend, > >>and who get their truth from the Word of God. This may also include > >>personal revelation that is in line with Biblical truths and principles. > >>So, relying on heretical extra-biblical works produced by or through a > >>magic talisman bearing peep-stone treasure hunter disqualifies one from > >>the Body of Christ. > >> > >>Perry > >> > >> > >>>From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > >>>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > >>>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry & Dave: inquiring minds want to know > >>>Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 23:45:56 -0800 > >>> > >>>DAVEH: Did you not read the WIKI definition I previously provided, > >>>Kevin? DavidM has subsequently provided this one, also from WIKI........ > >>> > >>>/The word Anabaptism may be used to describe a "*Protestant*" group > >>>baptizing Christians who were baptized in infancy and/or who come to them > >>>from other bodies, any of the 16th century "radical" dissenters, or the > >>>denominations descending from the followers of Menno Simons. The use of > >>>the term Anabaptism does not necessarily imply claims to uniformity > >>>between the groups thus denominated. Today the descendants of the 16th > >>>century European movement (particularly the Amish, Hutterites, & > >>>Mennonites) are the most common bodies referred to as Anabaptist. Yet > >>>other bodies (such as the early English Baptists) were also referred to > >>>by their enemies as Anabaptists, and are clearly Anabaptists in the > >>>generally accepted sense of the term. The majority of Baptists further > >>>engage in a practice others consider "rebaptizing" in that they usually > >>>rebaptize even adult believers who were baptized by some mode other than > >>>immersion. _Christian church historians generally believe that there is > >>>no historical continuity between anabaptists in the first few centuries > >>>of the Christianity and later anabaptist groups._/ > >>> > >>>..........Does that not explain the situation? Modern day Baptists are > >>>Protestants. > >> > > > >-- > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Dave Hansen > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://www.langlitz.com > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >If you wish to receive > >things I find interesting, > >I maintain six email lists... > >JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, > >STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. > > > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." 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