I am thinking about what you said in regards to
Rush. There's little doubt about whom Judy considers the "idiot" in our
conversations. And so it's always a question of whether I want to open my mouth
and remove all doubt :>) I think this time I'll remain silent and only
thought a fool.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 11:28
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
corrector/revisor
Ah. Now I see. Why the race?
Well, i guess I should defer to Bill, although I think I
understood the point. -----Original
Message----- From: Judy Taylor < jandgtaylor1@juno.com> To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent:
Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:20:48 -0500 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/ revisor
Do you presume to have finished the race, while
waiting for the likes of Paul to catch up?
and it got a hearty laugh out of my otherwise
demonical countenance.
RACE. What is that
about? ....how do you get
a race out this? I remain
confused. -----Original Message----- From:
Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thu,
24 Nov 2005 11:05:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
corrector/revisor
I know what you are commenting on JD;
However, Bill's
statement is way out there someplace and has nothing at all to do
with Hebrews 10:14
where this thread began. Bill has gone
from Greek verbs to some race none of which have
anything to
do with 'being sanctified' as per Hebrews
10:14. The 10th Chapter of Hebrews juxtaposes animal sacrifice
against the once for all
sacrifice of Christ. Now how do you get a race out this?
You are lost because you
are off on the same
tangent as Bill. judyt
Sorry , Judy, you have lost me entirely. I am committing
on Bill's statement below and you are doing what
?????? This is a great question: Do you
presume to have finished the race, while waiting for the likes of Paul to
catch up? and it got a hearty laugh out of my
otherwise demonical countenance.
From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>
Your drift is incomprehensible JD and
there is no "death blow" because FYI
Hebrews 10:14 does not refer to any race ... Oh
what a tangled web we weave...
Vs.14 here relates to Hebrews 10:9,10 ie:
"Then He (Jesus) said "Behold I have come
to do Your will, O God" He takes away the
first that He may establish the second. By
that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for
all"
So where is this race......????
Not laughting at you , David, but I am laughing at
the quetion !!!
Out of compassion and reason comes the death blow
---------------- if you get my drift. :-)
jd -----Original
Message----- From: Taylor < wmtaylor@plains.net> To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:19:14
-0700 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/ revisor
You highlight the problem with leaving
off the present passive aspect of this participle, David; hence loosing
track of the unfinished- or incompleteness of it. Do you presume to have
finished the race, while waiting for the likes of Paul to catch
up?
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005
6:56 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
corrector/revisor
Bill wrote:
> Per this verse, it is our
sanctification
> which is not yet
complete.
How do you read this into the text?
Nothing in this passage indicates that our present sanctification is
somehow incomplete. Granted, our sanctification may be ongoing,
but to argue that a present tense indicates incompleteness is going
beyond what is indicated by this text.
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 23,
2005 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
corrector/revisor
Well actually, "by one offering" is a
prepositional phrase and not the subject of the sentence. The third
person singular aspect of teteleioken conveys the
subject of the sentence: "he"; but I don't expect you to agree with
that, and I certainly don't expect you to be able to
understand it.
Nevertheless, nothing I have said
should lead you to the conclusion that I believe the one offering is
not complete. Per this verse, it is our sanctification which is not
yet complete. But I don't expect you to understand that
either.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 23,
2005 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
corrector/revisor
The subject of the sentence 10:14 is the ONE
OFFERING so Bill is saying it is "Not yet
Complete" Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com> wrote:
I don't speculate on all that Bill
because in my understanding the active part of
sanctification requires
the cooperation of the one being
sanctified; the kind of cooperation an unbeliever
would be unable to
give.
That's fine, Judy, but who in
this discussion has argued that to sanctify does not mean the
same as to set apart? That is not even a point of contention.
Do you agree that this participle in Heb 10.14
reflect a sanctification which is passive (i.e., the
action is being performed by someone other than the subject)
and not yet complete? Bill
I have no idea what you are talking
about Bill. However I do understand Hebrews
10:14
and the word "sanctified" in this
instance means "set apart" in the same way that an
unbelieving
wife is "set apart" in 1 Cor 7:14
which is "set apart in the sense that she is become the
object of
focus because of the faith and
influence of her husband. It would be impossible for
her to be
sanctified in any other sense
because she remains unregenerated and dead
in her trespass and
sin.
Fair enough. Do you accept
the present passive thrust of this verb? My impression is
that you do not.
Bill
Are you living in some kind of
delusion Bill?
My understanding of that text
remains the same as it was, so please let's deal with
reality here
rather than presumption.
jt
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
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