DAVEH: Thanx for your advice on this, DavidM...especially
considering your time constraints.
Not that I want to open another can of worms, but in light of my
discussion (if it could be called
that) with Perry and whether or not
there is any truth to be found on TT, these exchanges you are
having with
Judy and Dean illustrate the problem I see with TT. I don't know which
side is giving
the truth about Calvin, but I'd sure be surprised if you are
able to convert Judy and/or Dean to your
way of seeing it, and
likewise....I doubt you will be jumping over to your side of the
fence.
When I asked you the question, So where's the truth?......the
answer ain't so simple.....
The truth is in Christ DaveH. His Word is
Truth. The plumbline is not different historians. John
Calvin did what he did, bragged about it, and refused
to repent. Not only that in his "city of God"
they controlled in such a way that ppl were not free
to follow their own conscience which is wrong.
A leader or undershepherd is to be an example to the
flock rather than a lord over God's ppl as
was the case in Geneva..
DM: All you
have to do, Dave, is read more history from both sides.
........without engaging in a lot of independent study and then
drawing conclusions based on
that. But perhaps I'm being a bit too
critical. I suppose you could have given me a dogmatic
answer that
would have been no different than Judy and Dean's answers.
So DaveH you think Dean and I are dogmatic because
our standard is scripture rather than
history which changes according to who writes and/or
revises it periodically wheras Jesus
Christ and the Word of Truth is the same yesterday,
today, and forever? In the light of truth
Calvin fails to pass the test. He may have been
well meaning but is not someone to
follow.
Either way....it leads me to believe
truth is pretty illusive on TT. Forgive me for harping on
that
theme, but it has become pretty apparent recently that truth really
isn't the focus of TT. If
anything, it seems to be more a place to
argue truth without real truth being all that relevant.
I
don't know if that makes any sense though.....
How would you be able to discern truth DaveH when you
are already deceived by the
religion you were either born into or have chosen to
follow? Joseph Smith may not have
burned ppl at the stake for heresy but his life and
teaching don't measure up either.
FWIW.....I
do have a genuine interest in Calvin, as I've heard a lot of stuff related to
him on
the radio program (Key Life Ministries with Steve Brown) who is
apparently a Calvinist (if that is
possible with SB being a
Presbyterian?) Anyway....hearing about him has given me a mild
interest
in knowing about his theology. Now that I'm hearing two
sides of the coin in TT, it just seems a
little odd. I'm just not
sure I want to spend a whole lot of time trying to sort out the truth
about
him from the clutter.
Not only possible but probable since Presbyterianism
is the fruit of Calvin's teachings along
with the Geneva Bible with
his footnotes. The church I attend is Presbyterian and there are lots
of nice folk there.
However, I am aware that there is a Calvinistic bent and so guard my
heart
against it. It wouldn't be my first choice but
we are limited by what is available in the town where
we live. You may not see the problem the same
way since Mormonism is a controlling religion
also with a prophet who can not ever be
wrong.
