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'Touch not the Lord's Annointed'!! Have you ever
heard a 'gifted' believer say that? Have you never heard a husband/father employ
Scripture to justify 'abusive' behaviour (verbally/physically)? Have you never
taken note of 'cliques' within believing groups that exclude newer people? Have
you ever noted the 'politics' within believing groups?
So then, Lance, just what is it you are attempting
to say? WE'VE ALL DONE SUCH, WE ALL DO SUCH, WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO SUCH! There
is not one on this list, of any affiliation, about whom this is not
true!
Wait just a minute, Lance! I (fill in your name)
have never done such, I do not now ever do such, and, I believe that I never
shall do such.
Sent: November 30, 2005 08:34
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy says 'YOUR
STANDARDS THEN ARE OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT THAN GOD'S ARE BILL
I would, with the addenum that the ppl you mention
below usually run over others to benefit themselves which
is natural for a man walking after the flesh -
but they do not do this "in God's name" or as an ambassador of
"Christ"
and usually the outcome is not beheading others or
burning them at the stake. Agreed?
As to your Calvin/Augustine connection,
Amen! Sadly, IMO, there is not one on TT, though perhaps to a lesser
extent, who has not abused their position of power over others on some
occasions. (As husband, wife, sibling, office holder in a believing group,
political office holder, supervisor/boss in a business setting etc. Would
you (and others) concur with this observation?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: November 30, 2005 08:08
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy says
'YOUR STANDARDS THEN ARE OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT THAN GOD'S ARE BILL
I would say Amen to your conclusion since Calvin
did not obey God's Word in his own life and could not be an example to
others in that way. Calvin was not primarily a follower of
Christ. He was drinking from a polluted stream which was that of
Augustine. Calvin called himself an Augustinian theologian and as
scripture predicts he became like his mentor. Augustine used the power of
State to force church attendance as Calvin did 1200yrs later.. also
Augustine called the Donatists heretics who could be subject to imperial
legislation and force. Augustine supported the death penalty for those who
were rebaptized as believers after rcc conversion to Christ and for other
alleged heretics. No freedom of conscience with him
either.
Yes Judy, I have read the passages you
identified. My request stands. Suggestions:Think about-IMO, As I see it,
Operating with the understanding of Scripture that I have just now,
Bill, John and David give me cause to think (not concerning whether or
not Calvin may have erred in his own interpretation of Scripture on more
than one occasion) that Calvin, like the rest of us, is but a believer
who operates with a less than exhaustive understanding of WHO JESUS
IS.
I could say that to you personally Lance
because from what you write, you don't believe there is such a thing
as objective truth
However, in evaluating Calvin or anyone else
who professes to be speaking as God's oracle we have an objective
standard which is the Word of God. Jesus sent the Holy Spirit
and gave gifts to men so that we would not be subject to some
man's
"interpretation" and wind up as lost as
Israel under the guidance of Scribes and Pharisees sitting in the seat
of Moses. Have you ever read Jer 31:33, Heb 8:10,11 and thought about it Lance? The
promise is not that we will all have our "own interpretation" now is
it?
No! No! No! I am not a relativist BUT,
the above should read as follows:
YOUR INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURE
CONCERNING THE STANDARDS OF GOD, IN THE MATTER UNDER
DISCUSSION, DIFFER FROM MY INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURE ON THIS
MATTER.
In all seriousness, Judy, please take
time to pray concerning this distinction. As I see it, all
subsequent engagements between yourself and others would prove to be
less confrontational in tone.
Lance
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
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