So they were created one of two ways. They
were either eternal with the ability to fall through disobedience -
OR they were created like us which is mortal
and dying as we live with access to the tree of
life?
More added words: you are setting up a strawman, Judy. Go back to what
has been said and see the distinction.
No strawman here
Bill.
Why would a God of life in whom there is no
darkness or shadow of turning create a dying people?
He did not create a "dying people."
What is the meaning of the word "mortal"?
It is "subject to death, or destined to die?" We who are
procreated are born mortal because of the first Adam's disobedience.
He fell from something Bill. So from whence did he
fall? From mortal to
mortal?
A&E chose death by
their disobedience.
Adam and Eve chose disobedience, death being the consequence of their
actions: "The wages of sin is death ... "
Exactly - and if they were mortal already,
that is, if God created them mortal then He chose it for
them
before they got the chance to
disobey. jt
Me thinks you are putting words in his mouth,
Judy. Had they have continued to eat of the tree of life, they would not
have died, their mortality being the potential to
die in the absence of the sustenance supplied by the tree of life:
"'And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and
eat, and live forever' -- so the LORD God banished him from the Garden . .
."
Bill
JD your dylexia has kicked in again. We
who are born through procreation are created in the "image" of
the
first Adam. They were here first
already.... and the tree of life is what they were encouraged
to eat from. to
say they were walking in death right then is
pure unwarranted speculation; why would a God og life create them
in death?
Also, there is evidence that Adam and Eve were created just
like us -- which includes the fact that they were created
"mortal," hence, the The Tree of Life , in the
garden.
jd -----Original Message----- From:
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Dec 2005 00:27:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New
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So Cain and Abel were children # 1 and
#2. and when Cain killed Able -- who
was he afraid of -- I mean, where did those people
come from? I personally believe that Adam and Eve were not
the only people created. But that is not a popular
opinion. If we go with the standard opin
-- Cain was afraid of his own people!!!!
jd
-----Original Message----- From:
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Dec 2005 00:20:07 EST Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New
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In a message dated 12/8/2005 8:27:46 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But why did they not have children until
they were 1) changed into mortal
beings
I hate to tell you this B but the children generally come
NINE Months AFTER the FACT!
Blainerb: Hmm, let's see, chapter three of Genesis
ends with the couple being driven out of the paradisiacal garden, then chapter 4 begins as
follows:
"And Adam knew Eve his wife, and she
conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from
the Lord."
Sounds like the fun began AFTER leaving the
garden!!!! But no timetable is given.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blainerb: Ha!
I agree, it was a good commandment! But why did
they not have children until they were 1) changed into mortal
beings, and 2) forced out of the garden?
In a message dated 12/8/2005 7:46:18 P.M. Mountain Standard
Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I wasn't there
Blaine. If you don't like it, complain to God. He
ordered it, not me. I do, however, think it was a great
idea. One of the easiest commands to keep. ;-)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you saying Adam and Eve were capable of having sex
prior to the Fall?? What sacrilege is
this?? :>)
Blainerb
In a message dated 12/8/2005 6:48:37 P.M. Mountain
Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think you might have
missed something, Blaine. There is no reason to think
that Judy would not have been here if there had been no
fall. The command to "Be fruitful and multiply" came
prior to the fall. See Genesis
1:28. Terry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blainerb:
You seem to be forgetting how wonderful you as a daughter
of God are, Judy. Without Adam and Eve's partaking of the
forbidden fruit, none of us including your wonderful
self would even be here--Adam and Eve
would just be lounging around in their perfect little
paradise, never knowing good from evil and not even
caring. But they would be eternally pure and
goody-good righteous... Is that what you think the
Lord really wanted?
In a message dated 12/8/2005 3:41:54 A.M. Mountain
Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The trees in the garden
DaveH are the two
kinds of wisdom. The tree of life is "pure,
peaceable, and full of good fruit" and this is the tree
God wanted His creation to eat from. The other
tree - the one the serpent was promoting - is earthly,
sensual, and demonic. So take your pick. One
leads to life and the other to
death.
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John
2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
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