Re: [TruthTalk]

[Lance Muir]

I'm with Terry & John on this one. Sssssssup Iz? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 13, 2005 15:33 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] I still do not see where John was anti anyone.  If he is, I may unknowingly be guilty of the same, so please tell us both where we need to modify our thinking. Thanks in advance. Terry ShieldsFamily wrote: Your personal encounters with one Jew or another is irrelevant.  History should not be distorted by anit-semites.  iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 9:44 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] It might benefit us all, Iz, if you would point out the error in John's thinking.  Not all of us have the benefit of a close relationship with a Jewish believer.  None of the jewish guys I ever knew or worked with were anything that would please the Lord. Terry ShieldsFamily wrote: Jd, your lack of understanding of the Jews is appalling, as demonstrated by every post you write about them.  Why not try learning about them instead of speculating out of thin air? I’m talking HUGE lack of understanding—HUGE! iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:30 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Probably no interest on this one, but I'll throw it out there anyway. Isreal claims ancestry through Abraham to God.   But there was no Israel from the beginning of earth's history to around 1600 BC or so.   The Egyptians had their own culture, religion and mythology.   The Jews really had no national identity at all.    If if if the Egyptians had incorporated these people into their society in the early years, there would have been no Israel of God   ---  or, at the very least,  Egyptian mythology and culture would have survived in Israel.   But, the very fact of continued bondage  IMO created an  "us versus them"  psychology that prevented Israel from being lost in the sea of Egyptian nuance.   Their escape from Egypt was that of a people needing Divine  help at the most basic  levels  of national existence. .   They had no law or national structure.   Their God of the past 400 years  (of bondage) was a God of tradition and little more.   We are talking about 2 to 3 million people (so some assert) leaving Egypt with absolutely no where to go,  no way to survive militarily ,  a culture of bondage and defeat as the National Story,   And when they got to the Red Sea,  reality hit them between the eyes.   This defeatist attitude becomes a part of their tradition and , perhaps,  is an aspect of their repeated rebellion.   It is almost as if they are the Divine Stepchild and they really don't  care for this  identiy.   Does this have anything to do with fact that do not approach God as "Father God"  ??  And what is Moses doing with the writing of Genesis if not collecting the oral traditions in an effort at presenting Iseal  (this brandnew nation) with a history that it can claim as its own???   Perhaps he begins with the Beginning  because this was the perfect place to start.   ..........     contrasting the Egyptian mythologies of the beginnings of man with an account of a sovereign God  and His creation.   These Jews,  freah out of Egypt,  most definitely knew of the Egyptian stories.   The contrast would have been startling.   Whatever. jd