'Nuff said, Kev!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: December 14, 2005 09:40
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Garden
Atonement
False theology is man centric it comes forth from man's thoughts man's
experience and therefore naturally becomes Psych/Anthro
True Theology is what has been revealed by the Mind of
God Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
I just checked out the definition of 'foolish'.
B4 Torrance Kevin, it 'the vicarious humanity of Christ' was present
throughout Scripture.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: December 14, 2005 08:38
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Garden
Atonement
Where was this B4 Torrance?
This explains a lot about your postmodern Psychiatry/Anthropology
you call a "theology" Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
THE VICARIOUS HUMANITY OF CHRIST WOULD MOST
ASSUREDLY INCLUDE THE GARDEN, kevin!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: December 14, 2005
07:46
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Garden
Atonement
Blaine what is all this
Talk about PAYING for SINS in the GARDEN?
And what is this great
drops of Blood sweat thing have to do with Atonement?
"The Savior ATONED for our
sins by suffering in Gethsemane and by giving his
life on the cross. It is impossible for us to fully understand how
he suffered for all of our sins. In the Garden of
Gethsemane, the weight of our sins caused him to feel such agony and
heartbreak that be bled from every pore
(see D&C 19:18-19). " Gospel Principles, Corporation of
the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,
1979, pg. 66
"Jesus then went into the Garden of Gethsemane. There he
suffered most. He suffered greatly on the cross, of course,
but other men had died by crucifixion; in fact, a man hung on either
side of him as he died on the cross. But no man, nor set of men, nor
all men put together, ever suffered what the Redeemer suffered in the
garden. He went there to pray and suffer'" (Conference Report, Marion
Romney, First Presidency, October 1953, Pg.35).
"suffered as only as God would suffer, bearing our
griefs, carrying our sorrows, being wounded for our transgressions,
voluntarily submitting Himself to the iniquity of us all, just as
Isaiah prophesied."
"It was in Gethsemane that Jesus took on
Himself the sins of the world, in Gethsemane that His pain
was equivalent to the cumulative burden of all men, in Gethsemane that
He descended below all things so that all could repent and come to
Him" (Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, pg.15).
"Forgiveness is available because Christ the Lord sweat great drops of blood in Gethsemane
as he bore the incalculable weight of the sins of all
who ever had or ever would repent" ("The Promised Messiah," Bruce R.
McConkie pg. 337)
"In a garden called Gethsemane, outside
Jerusalem's walls, in agony beyond compare, he took upon
himself the sins of all men on condition of
repentance." ("The Promised Messiah," Mormon Apostle Bruce R.
McConkie pg. 552)
"And as he came out of the Garden, delivering himself voluntarily
into the hands of wicked men, the victory had been won. There remained
yet the shame and the pain of his attest, his trials, and his
cross. But all these were overshadowed by the agonies
and sufferings in Gethsemane. It
was on the cross that he 'suffered death in the flesh,' even as many
have suffered agonizing deaths, but it was in Gethsemane that "he
suffered the pain of all men, that all men might
repent and come unto him." "The Mortal Messiah," McConkie pg.
127-128
Jesus paid for all our sins when He suffered in the
Garden of Gethsemane. Laurel Rohlfing, Sharing Time: The
Atonement, Friend, Mar. 1989, 39
BYU professor Robert J. Matthews, who on page 282 of his book, A
Bible! A Bible!, wrote, It was in Gethsemane, on the slopes of the
Mount of Olives, that Jesus made his perfect
atonement by the shedding of his blood-more so than
on the cross.
Apostle Bruce McConkie, stated, Where
and under what circumstances was the atoning
sacrifice of the Son of God made? Was it on the Cross of
Calvary or in the Garden of Gethsemane? It is to the Cross of Christ
that most Christians look when centering their attention upon the
infinite and eternal atonement. And certainly the sacrifice of our
Lord was completed when he was lifted up by men; also, that part of
his life and suffering is more dramatic and, perhaps, more soul
stirring. But in reality the pain and suffering, the triumph and
grandeur, of the atonement took place primarily in
Gethsemane, (Doctrinal New Testament Commentary
1:774)
The Savior began shedding His blood for all mankind, not
on the cross but in the Garden of Gethsemane. (Russell
M. Nelson, His Mission and Ministry, New Era, Dec. 1999)
the preaching of
the CROSS is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us
which are saved it is the power of God 1 Co 1:18
Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Now Kevin, we don't despise crosses, we
just like stars better. :>) Blainerb
Jesus paid for all our sins when He suffered in the
Garden of Gethsemane. Laurel Rohlfing, Sharing Time: The
Atonement, Friend, Mar. 1989, 39
"The Savior atoned for our
sins by suffering in Gethsemane and by giving his
life on the cross. It is impossible for us to fully understand
how he suffered for all of our sins. In the Garden of
Gethsemane, the weight of our sins caused him to feel such agony and
heartbreak that be bled from every pore (see D&C
19:18-19). " Gospel Principles, Corporation of the President of
the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1979, pg.
66
BYU professor Robert J.. Matthews, who on page 282 of his book,
A Bible! A Bible!, wrote, It was in Gethsemane, on the slopes of
the Mount of Olives, that Jesus made his perfect
atonement by the shedding of his blood-more so than
on the cross.
Apostle Bruce McConkie, stated,
Where and under what circumstances was the atoning
sacrifice of the Son of God made? Was it on the Cross of
Calvary or in the Garden of Gethsemane? It is to the Cross of Christ
that most Christians look when centering their attention upon the
infinite and eternal atonement. And certainly the sacrifice of our
Lord was completed when he was lifted up by men; also, that part of
his life and suffering is more dramatic and, perhaps, more soul
stirring. But in reality the pain and suffering, the triumph and
grandeur, of the atonement took place primarily in
Gethsemane, (Doctrinal New Testament Commentary
1:774)
The Savior began shedding His blood for all mankind,
not on the cross but in the Garden of Gethsemane.
(Russell M. Nelson, His Mission and Ministry, New Era, Dec.
1999)
we are Reconciled thru the
cross
Col 1:20 having made
peace through the blood of his
cross, by him to reconcile all
things unto himself
Eph 2:16 that he might
reconcile both unto God in one body by the
cross
Our debt nailed to the cross
Col 2:14 Blotting out the
handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to
us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his
cross
He bore our sins on the cross
1 Pt 2 Who his own
self bare our sins in his own body on the
tree
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now Kevin, we don't despise crosses, we
just like stars better. :>)
Blainerb
In a message dated 12/13/2005 6:12:12 A.M. Mountain Standard
Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The cats out of the bag:
Christians Glory in the cross you dispise it since you are
of those that the Bible says are ENEMIES of the Cross whose
END is DESTRUCTION!
Galatians 6:14 But God forbid that I should
glory, save in the cross of our
Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto
me, and I unto the world.
Ph 3 Brethren, be followers
together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us
for an ensample. (For many walk, of whom I have told you
often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of
Christ: Whose end is
destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory
is in their shame, who mind earthly
things.)
You are an example of those that mind earthly
things such as your LUSTFUL MIND.
What specifically is so WIERD here? Except for
ENEMIES that is.
On a hill far away stood an old rugged cross, The emblem
of suffering and shame; And I love that old cross where the
dearest and best For a world of lost sinners was slain.
Refrain
So Iâll cherish the old rugged
cross, Till my trophies at last I lay down; I will cling
to the old rugged cross, And exchange it some day for a
crown.
O that old rugged cross, so despised by the world, Has a
wondrous attraction for me; For the dear Lamb of God left His
glory above To bear it to dark Calvary.
Refrain
In that old rugged cross, stained with blood so
divine, A wondrous beauty I see, For âtwas on that old
cross Jesus suffered and died, To pardon and sanctify
me.
Refrain
To the old rugged cross I will ever be true; Its shame
and reproach gladly bear; Then Heâll call me some day to my
home far away, Where His glory forever Iâll share.
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