From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Perry wrote:
> I have no reason to believe that the 11 had been baptised prior to
Jesus' appearance to them.
John 3:25-26
(25) Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the
Jews about purifying.
(26) And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with
thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same
baptizeth,
and all men come to him.
John 4:1-2
(1) When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus
made
and baptized more disciples than John,
(2) (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
It makes sense that if his disciples (assuming the apostles were counted in
his disciples) were baptizing, that they themselves had been baptized. But
is there not several different baptisms identified in the scripture? What
type of baptism do you think his disciples were performing? John was
performing baptism for the remittance of sins. Do you think this is the
baptism Jesus' disciples were performing? Do you think it possible that when
Jesus appeared to the 11, he was referring to a different baptism? Perhaps
not ALL of the 11 were baptised at that point. What do you think?
John 13:8-10
(8) Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered
him,
If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.
(9) Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands
and my head.
(10) Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his
feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.
Should we not consider the eleven apostles already saved?
I am not confident there is symbolism to baptism in the above verses. Does
the greek yield any more information to that effect?
John 14:16-17
(16) And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter,
that he may abide with you for ever;
(17) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because IT
SEETH HIM NOT, neither knoweth him: BUT YE KNOW HIM; for he dwelleth with
you, and shall be in you.
It seems to me that they believed, were baptized, and thereby were
delivered
from this world system and had come to know the Holy Ghost, although they
had not yet been baptized in the Holy Ghost.
Yes, it does imply that.
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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