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----- Original Message -----
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/13/2006 2:21:04 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)
I don't believe you understand His nature at all Lance; also I fail to see why it is so important to you that he be
God walking around on earth - why not allow him to be as the scripture reveals.
cd: Judy-see scripture revealing more of Christ also.Lance and Baxter's "dancing around" theory has some very good points/teachings if one looks past the undertones of Augustness-which Calvin popularized to the protestant world (notice Blaine and Dave I said protestant world which Armenians- I my opinion-aren't a part of as the doctrines are separate/differant.). The point I am hoping to make is that Christ was more than a man while on earth. If a king took off his royal clothing and put on rags and emptied himself of most of his wealth and went out into the cold so as to experience what the common man experienced he would still be a King only one in rags. This king would know he was still a king-as Christ identified himself as such-He knew that He was more than a man and considered himself equal with God-His covering didn't make up his identity- rather who He was made that identity foremost.He remember a Glory that was shared with the Fathers before the world began-How can any man hold a memory of that magnitude
and still be just a man?Job asked God for a Mediator as a go between God and man -God honored that request and sent down a Mediator who could experience both sides of the issue. Christ by walking in the form of man with the temptations of a man -due to the flesh-Yet was also able to relate with God's side of the issue in his divinness.Hope this helps and know that this is my understanding-if anything can be added to help my understanding please do so-Thank you.
It is after his death (as a man)
burial and resurrection that God the Father exalted Him and gave Him a Name above every Name so that at
the name of Jesus every knee should bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of
God the Father.
cd: I see God as honoring Christ for the work on the cross-but knees bowed to him here while on earth also-The soldiers fell backwards to their knees in the garden when Christ said "I am" and many others bowed before Him which was allowed as He was God in the flesh.Remenber He identified himself as the great "I am". This is identifying himself as God.Yes he was made in the flesh a little lower than the Angles but still commanded those same angles as He could have called 12 legions to His defense-in the wilderness of temptation these Angels came and served/ministered to him in the form of servants. No Angel ever allowed a man to bow before them-Yet Christ allowed this to be so.He was therefore greater than the Angels and hence much more than the common man.
I think I know where you are going with this, David. I will of course agree that Jesus was exalted after his death and resurrection, and you will say that this somehow corroborates Judy's view that Jesus was not God all the while he was on earth (at least, I think this is what she has implied). Do you agree with her on that, then? Yes/No. As for his exaltation, my answer is that it had to do with his position; it was not a change in nature.
Lance
----- Original Message -----
Sent: January 13, 2006 13:19
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)
Lance, in your theology, was Jesus exalted in any way, after his crucifixion?
Does the following _expression_ by Peter also puzzle you?
Acts 2:36
(36) Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
David Miller.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)
I'm puzzled by your _expression_, Judy 'what about Jesus made Him divine'. It is not as if he were a man to whom a special endowment were added or superimposed, 'making' him God. He is divine because he is God the Son who has existed from eternity, of one nature with the Father and Spirit, come AS A human being. Your question is like asking what makes God God. He ain't Clark Kent, Judy who needs only to remove his robe thus revealing his Superman garb.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: January 13, 2006 10:49
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)
Dean and Lance,
What exactly was it about jesus that made him divine?
Since you say you know what it was not - can you now tell me what it is?
judyt
Lance wrote:
It was not the Holy Spirit "in" Jesus that made him divine, if it were then all believers would be equally divine.
Yes; this is what I thought to myself also when I read Judy's post about that.
D
cd: Lance and Debbie- what bearing do you view Jesus having that spirit "without measure" have on you statement?
Albert Barns wrote:
Joh 3:34 -
Whom God hath sent - The Messiah.
Speaketh the words of God - The truth, or commands of God.
For God giveth not the Spirit - The Spirit of God. Though Jesus was God as well as man, yet, as Mediator, God anointed him, or endowed him with the influences of his Spirit, so as to be completely qualified for his great work.
By measure - Not in a small degree, but fully, completely. The prophets were inspired on particular occasions to deliver special messages. The Messiah was continually filled with the Spirit of God. "The Spirit dwelt in him, not as a vessel, but as in a fountain, as in a bottomless ocean (Henry).
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