We are going petty and I am not going to do it any more, David. Got it !!
jd
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From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The entire post was included, John. Here we go again. I'm beginning to
> think that not only do I have trouble understanding you, but you have
> trouble understanding your own writing. :-)
>
> Jesus did not rebuke those who were already children of God. He rebuked
> Pharisees and hypocrites whose father was Satan.
>
> When I teach and preach in my church, the reception is generally different
> from public preaching and teaching. In church, it probably does not matter
> much what I say, people are looking for ways to agree with me and say amen
> for the most part. In public, while there are some who do that, most people
> are antagonistic to the very idea of God. They hate God and many that
> profess to be Christians are ashamed of God. Jews are generall y curious as
> to whether as a professor of Jesus Christ I would condemn them for being
> Jewish. They love it when I call them God's chosen people and say that
> Jesus and most of his apostles were Jews.
>
> David Miller.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 8:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Differences
>
>
> David, you need to include the entire post to which you refer. The first
> quote is not something that I said as a point of fact, because, of course,
> I believe that repentance is something other than confession and netiehr
> plays a role in continuing our salvation. In other words, I do not confess
> sin because I am lost until I do.
>
> Jesus rebuked those who were already the Children of God !!! Seems like
> you should be preaching grace to the los t and do your rebuking in your own
> church !!
>
> jd
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > John wrote:
> > > If you sin and do not repent, for whatever
> > > reason, will that single sin place you in hell.
> >
> > Not true, John. I cannot believe that you would argue such a point.
> >
> > John wrote:
> > > You speak of rebuking and hell muhc more
> > > ofter than I, of course.
> >
> > That's because Jesus spoke of rebuking and hell much more often than you
> > do.
> >
> > John wrote:
> > > Surely we would not check the same boxes
> > > on whatever test !! LOL
> >
> > IMO, you overestimate our differences. If our differences are as severe as
> > you make them out to be, then it would impossible for us both to be saved.
> > Is that what you believe?
> >
> > David Miller
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Mes sage -----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Differences
> >
> > See below
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "David Miller"
> >
> > John wrote:
> > Lance asked about the difference between the Christ of DM and JT and some
> > others on this forum. There is so much confusion that one scarsely knows
> > where to begin. Perhaps the best way to say it is this: they believe in a
> > Christ of Law and grace and others believe in a Christ of Spirit and
> > grace.
> > The former insists that obedience is the path to God, ala the Old Law --
> > and the others believe that obedience is a response to the Indwelling -
> > an indwelling that cannot possibly miss His mark because He has become a
> > part of the ontology of the saint.
> >
> > John, the only confu sion on this is in your mind. No matter how many
> > times
> > I tell you what I believe, you prefer to believe falsely about me. You are
> > not even close to characterizing how I believe. Just because I do not
> > believe that the law has been done away, as per the teaching of Jesus, but
> > rather that it is the covenant of law that has been made obsolete by the
> > sacrifice of Christ, does not mean that I believe that obedience is the
> > path
> > to God ala the Old Law. I'm not aware of anyone on TruthTalk right now who
> > thinks that way. Slade did, who you got along with just fine because of
> > his
> > hippy era liberal bent, but he is not here anymore. If you gave me a
> > multiple choice test, I would check the same box you would, that obedience
> > is a response to the Indwelling. I also would check the box for a Christ
> > of
> > Spirit and grace. Your antinomian bias has confused you concerning what I
> > believe.
> >
> >
> > If you sin and do not repent, for whatever reason, will that single sin
> > place you in hell. You speak of rebuking and hell muhc more ofter than I,
> > of course. Surely we would not check the same boxes on whatever test !!
> > LOL
> >
> >
> > I do have to ask you, however, that when you say, "an indwelling that
> > cannot
> > possibly miss the mark because He has become a part of the ontology of the
> > saint," are you claiming an ontological infallibility for yourself simply
> > because you are a Christian?
> >
> >
> > I am acknowledging God's guarantee to complete the task He has initiated
> > within me. If He has become a part of who I am, ontologically, then how
> > can I be lost apart from an outright rebellion to his presense? With that
> > in mind, I will answer your question in a single word, "Yes."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > David Miller.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Differences
> >
> >
> >
> > I am sure I agree --- but I do not dismiss the relational impact (whether
> > positive or negative) of those on this site.
> >
> > When I came to this forum, I was a supporter of David M, typically
> > conservative (for lack of a better term) and an oft defender of Judy
> > Taylor.
> &g t;
> > And what have I learned? That few on this site have a clue as to the
> > meaning of "liberal." ........................ that some on this site
> > place concepts (their concepts which they confuse with divine concpet) as
> > more important than continuing relationships.
> >
> > Lance asked about the difference between the Christ of DM and JT and some
> > others on this forum. There is so much confusion that one scarsely knows
> > where to begin. Perhaps the best way to say it is this: they believe in a
> > Christ of Law and grace and others believe in a Christ of Spirit and
> > grace.
> > The former insists that obedience is the path to God, ala the Old Law --
> > and the others believe that obedience is a response to the Indwelling -
> > an indwelling that cannot possibly miss His mark because He has become a
> > part of the ontology of the saint.
> >
> > That is how I see the difference.
> > jd
> >
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "Dean Moore"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> > Sent: 1/11/2006 7:59:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism & Freemasonry
> >
> >
> > How Kevin treats someone who is willing to listen to him for an extended
> > period of time has little to do with the way he treats those on this forum
> > with whom he disagrees.
> > > jd
> > cd: What I am trying to say is that there is more to Kevin than what you
> > have seen.
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "Dean Moore"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Taylor
> > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> > Sent: 1/10/2006 1:02:01 AM
> > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism & Freemasonry
> >
> >
> > I have had several encounters with SPs over the years, Dean. And I have
> > observed Kevin's approach to ministry here on TT, not to mention others
> > who
> > have drifted in and out over the last couple of years. And so, I will be
> > the
> > first to admit to a limited experience. Yes, I hung around and listened on
> > more than one occasion, as I was curious to see the kinds of reactions
> > their
> > preaching provoked. And no, it didn't seem to me that they ever really got
> > to the Gospel. "Christ," it seemed, was b ut a segue to the soul of their
> > message: "Repent, or be damn!"
> >
> > Having said that, I am opened to having misjudged Street P reachers as a
> > whole, by the few I have encountered. That is why I am open to meeting you
> > in N.O.
> >
> > Bill
> > cd: I would like to add in Kevin"s defense-that this forum is limited in
> > it's expressive forms-One cannot truly learn another on this site- Kevin
> > has
> > a big heart for the lost and I have seen him stand and discuss truth for
> > hours with one individual-Great patience and love shown by Kevin but not
> > seen on this site.
> >
> > ----------
> > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
> > know how
> > you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org
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