Fw: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?

[Lance Muir]

----- Original Message ----- From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: January 15, 2006 13:42 Subject: RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel? For cd: I understand baptism INTO CHRIST as identification with Christ, acknowledging participation in his faith/covenant-keeping for us. That is how it would seal a repentance which recognizes him as the one who has done that, and which therefore abandons effort on one's own behalf. We keep the covenant insofar as we are IN HIM who does so. His acts become ours.    I hope this helps.   D From: Lance Muir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 7:45 AM To: Debbie Sawczak Subject: Fw: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?   ----- Original Message ----- From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 15, 2006 07:36 Subject: RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?       ----- Original Message ----- From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/14/2006 2:20:45 PM Subject: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?   ----- Original Message ----- From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: January 14, 2006 14:18 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel? Of course it is sin and needs repenting of. (JD is actually making the same vocabulary mistake below as DM.) But it is not immorality; in fact, it is morality. Where this whole discussion of repentance began was with a critique of street preachers' focus on repentance as a call to turn from immoral living to moral living. As pointed out long ago by Bill and/or JD, the repentance urged on people in much biblical preaching was not a call to moral living, but a call to recognize God. Insofar as it was a call to moral living, it was to people who were already the people of God, and was a call to recognize God as covenant partner. Peter's sermon fits right into that and moves beyond it; the covenant is gathered up in Christ who turns out to be both its maker and keeper, and that is why repentance is sealed by being baptized into him.   D  cd: Debbie would you be so kind as to explain more on this? Thanks.    From: Lance Muir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 1:45 PM To: Debbie Sawczak Subject: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?   ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 14, 2006 12:54 Subject: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel? Well it is something that needs to be repented of JD; if it is not sin, then why the need to repent? Dead works is something lifeless as opposed to works of righteousness which are the fruit of walking after the spirit. One is dead religion - the other is life and peace.   On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:17:39 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes   --  and who said that "repentance from dead works"  is speaking of sin, anyway?   "Dead works" is that body of works that convinces someone that she is accpted by God RATHER THAN PLACING HER FAITH IN THE CHRIST and allowing Him and Him alone to be glorified in this [saving] function.     Bill's comment is brilliant, I think, and as it is attached to Acts 2  --   the best possible understanding of what happened on that First Day.     There is no reason to think that the Hebrews writer has something else in mind when he speaks of repentance from the failing effort of self justification.    jd From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: Debbie Sawczak   Dead works is not the same as immorality, which is what I think David means by sin. IMO, that [his equating sin with immorality] is where this false and hence problematic distinction arises between repentance from 'sin' and repentance from a failure to recognize who Christ is.   yD   From: Lance Muir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 10:01 AM To: Debbie Sawczak Subject: Fw: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?     ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 14, 2006 09:38 Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel? Re: repentance: basically, your admitting that Bill's understanding of the Acts passage he posted is correct--i'd agree that's bible teaching   however, the point you are trying to make about it, represented below, is a scripture dog that don't hunt--as usual, it is your own private notion universalized, shot through with geekness but rooted plainly (through contrast) in personalized philosophy, over which you sprinkle some home-brew holy water labeled 'Heb 6:1'   the issue historically is that you don't study and think much about (e.g.) Heb 6:1 while continually presupposing that it matches your philosophical bias, bec to you it sounds always like it does   in the end, it simply ain't bible teaching, Bro     On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:46:06 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: || > Surely you know better than to hang the entire gospel on one's > interpretation of one sermon.  || > Heb. 6:1 says that an elementary principle of the doctrine of Christ > is repentance from dead works.  This clearly links repentance and sin.  || -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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