I don't believe you understand His nature at all Lance; also I fail to see why it is so important to you that he be
God walking around on earth - why not allow him to be as the scripture reveals.
cd: Judy - see scripture revealing more of Christ also.
Lance and Baxter's "dancing around" theory has some very good points/teachings if one looks past the undertones of Augustness - which Calvin popularized to the protestant world (notice Blaine and Dave I said protestant world which Armenians - I my opinion-aren't a part of as the doctrines are separate/differant.).
Thanks for this Dean but I don't see the relevance of this "so called" divine procession and I can't see an "eternal"
son in scripture. He did not have two births and was not a creation of the Father at the beginning.
*cd: Do you think that it is possible that God saw man as needing a redeemer from the 'beginning'-If one can apply this term to God who has no beginning or end-so I will describe it as the beginning of creation of this world-Yet this also doesn't apply as it would define a time of Christ's beginning and he was more than a created being.I cannot place God as changing to any degree so I will simply make this statement: Christ was God at the beginning of things and Himself,was God in the flesh,was God who died on the tree (usage of tree-instead of cross is to keep relationship to first covenant prophecies/promices),and He is the Almighty then and now-Yet humbled himself to the Great Spirit while in the lesser form to complete His plan of salvation. Again it is hard to define the infinite from a finite prespective.The point is He was far more than a man.
The point I am hoping to make is that Christ was more than a man while on earth. If a king took off his royal clothing and put on rags and emptied himself of most of his wealth and went out into the cold so as to experience what the common man experienced he would still be a King only one in rags. This king would know he was still a king-as Christ identified himself as such - He knew that He was more than a man and considered himself equal with God-His covering didn't make up his identity- rather who He was made that identity foremost. He remember a Glory that was shared with the Fathers before the world began - How can any man hold a memory of that magnitude and still be just a man?
Well to everything there is a season and a time for every purpose under heaven. When he was born in that manger
in Bethlehem it was in human form - a little lower than the angels, even though we do have the prophetic voices
telling us that he would be so much more. He is now our Prophet, Priest, and King.
*cd: How does Christ describing himself to be more than a Priest,Prophet ,and King even as the Lord Almighty in Rev.1:8 comply with your statement?
Job asked God for a Mediator as a go between God and man - God honored that request and sent down a Mediator who could experience both sides of the issue.
I believe Job was speaking prophetically see (Job 19:25) where he says "I know that my redeemer lives and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth"
*cd: So his redeemer is living(Present tense to Job's time) and He will stand (maintain his strength) even until the latter day-which He will show to all. Is this how you see this also Judy?
