cd: Jd would you say Christ was the same as common man?
It's Bill, but I would say that Christ's human nature was the same as common man -- or statements like "he learned obedience from the things he suffered" would be meaningless, or at least irrelevant to us in our state.
cd: I am in agreement with you on this Bill-Sorry for the mistake in your identity.
It was his divine nature that was great, Dean,
cd: I am agreement with you on this.
and in that he was unlike us, as we do not have a divine nature,
cd: Here is where we differ- If we have the indwelling spirit guiding us and we allow the bit in our mouths-we will do and think divine thoughts-because of that Spirit.
but at no time did his divinity overwhelm his humanity; instead it came alongside and worked in unison with his human nature, producing obedience rather than sin.
cd: This is also where we disagree Bill and I also think this is where you and Judy collide.Christ was also tempted as we are but overcame that temptation-what you call "obedience." I see his divinity as overwhelming the humanity unto subjection to the divine as He did not sin and give lead way to the flesh and that is what make Him more than what we were.He had a likeness in that He was flesh also but not of our corruptible nature of sin-I am of course speaking of past tense prior to salvation and of course allow that we walk in a Godly manner .Because of Him we can be Holy also "be ye Holy" is a command from Christ and I don't believe He mocked by commanding us to do something we are not able to do.Respectfully.
Bill
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Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man
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Sent: 1/16/2006 7:34:30 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man
Luke writes that Jesus was born of the fruit of David's genitals (Act 2.30): hence he was not some kind of new humanity, freshly brewed with new material, unrelated to fallen humankind; No, he is human like David was human, born on our side of the fall.
And to the naysayers Jesus said, "Before Abraham was, I AM"; hence Jesus pre-dated even Abraham, David' predecessor. But it was not his humanity which pre-dated David; it was his divinity. And notice: he did not say that his Father was the I AM, and that he was copying him. No, Jesus said that he (and this before his glorification) is I AM; that is, Yahweh, the LORD who covenants with Abraham.
Jesus is FULLY GOD and fully man, two realities in one person, united -- but make him anything less than God or anything more than man and you are courting a demon, who is powerless to save you.
Bill
cd: Jd would you say Christ was the same as common man?
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