Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus - God nor Man (jd/Dean)

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G and B  --  sorry about what is happening to Denver, at this moment of time.

 

jd

 

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lol     --  this is partly why I will never be considered a theologian

 

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Yeah, John we got it: If a cow is only partly a cow, she is an udder waste.

 

:>) Bill 

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I think you can get the gist of what I am trying to say, here.  Not my best effort.  This is what I get for trying to write and watch the best of Mohammed Ali,  fight # 3 with Joe Frazer.  

 

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Hi Dean.  We are not that far apart on this issue.   Like you,  I do not believe that Christ sinned.    That is never a concern about what I write.  

 

Secondly,  having a “sinful nature”  has little to do with the event of sinningRather, it has more to do with the possibility of sinning.  I believe that , as a man, Christ could sin.   In John 17, his will and the Father’s will concerning the approaching agony were different.  But Christ’s will to serve the Father is more important than His will to avoid the agony of death.   If this is not true,  IMO He is little more than a robot.   None of this is to say that He is a “man jus t like us.” 

 

I maintain that you cannot be “partly human” except in the theoretical.  Ditto for being “party God.”   If a cow is only partly a cow, it is not a cow at all and all such discussions to the contrary are a collective and  utter waste of time.  Christ must be all human for there is no other practical alternative.  Likewise, He must be thoroughly God .   The combination presents to us one who is indeed the unique Son of God. 

 

Take Romans 3:23  “For all have sinned come short of the glory of God.”   If Christ is like us in all respects,  how does that play out in view of such a passage as this?  Well, for starters,  having a “sinful nature” does not mean that I am a sinner nor does it have to mean that I will sin.  Christ was like us except without sin.   Agreed.   So much for the first phrase of 3:23.   He is not li ke us in that respect.   But who said that “sinning” was a part of the human ontology to start with?   In John 17, Christ prays for a return to the glory He shared with the Father before the worlds were.   Glory lost !!!  What is that second phrase in Ro 3:23   ………..    and all are falling short of the glory of God.   If we define “glory” in broad enough terms,  then Christ share d in this same predicament.   That second phrase is a present time statement  --  we ARE FALLING short of the glory…………………….. and Christ prayed for what  (Jo 17:5)?

How can this be?  We have no explanation if we ignore Philip 2: 1ff.   

 

I would be interested in your view of that passage as it relates to Ro 3:23 and John 17:5.

 

jd

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