Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding

[Judy Taylor]

 

 

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:49:25 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Every single item on the list is an argued belief from either you or Judy Taylor. 

You don't like it because when it is all put together, it is rather embarrassing. 

The "cult" thingy is written all ofver this type of [listed] thinking. 

 

You can counter with a list of weird beliefs of any of us on the left.   Let's see  -- maybe I can help. 

 

Jd and friends actually believe this drivel: 

 

1.  Adam and Eve were created from the dust of the earth.

 

A&E were created in God's image which is not dust; the Creator is transcendent.

 

2.  Christ is the eternal Son of God. 

 

What scripture is the above based on? Only begotten Son - yes. Eternal Son??

 

3.  Christ Incarnate was God on earth.

 

Then why did he say "Why call me good?" There is only one that is good and that is God?"

Was he double minded or possibly insane?

 

4.  God the Father did not have sexual relations with Mary.

 

No kidding??

 

5.  Jesus came in the same flesh as all of mankind and was like us IN EVERY

     RESPECT.

 

In which case he must have been born in sin and iniquity and he would have to have had a redeemer himself.

 

6.  The Old Covenant has been made obsolete. 

 

God's moral law is not obsolete; you will be judged by it in the Last Day

 

7.   God is not a sexual being.  "Father"  is a function of God, an aspect of His

      self-revealing economy.  

 

Only to one overtaken by lust. A father is much more than biology - good ones are rare.

 

8.   We learn of the mind of God through the spirit-led process of maturity.

 

The Spirit of God reveals the mind of God - Jesus amazed the religious leaders at age 12.

and he according to your teaching was "just like you in every way"

 

Pretty weird, huh ?!!! 

 

You can say that again.....

 

 

 

 

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From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Bible Study Fellowship. Judy attends. (I think David's family attends also.) 

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From: Dean Moore

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: February 14, 2006 17:53

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding

cd: I am not sure where you got this twisted version of our statements that have been taken out of context- but you are incorrect.By the way who is the BSF?

 

 

 

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Sent: 2/14/2006 1:25:44 PM

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding

Let's talk "cult," shall we?   I am taking this list to the local BSF.  Wonder what they will say !!   It will describe a person I am dealing with  who believes the following: 

 

1.  Adam and Eve were spirit beings before the fall -- their flesh being changed afterwards. 

 

2.  Christ is not the "eternal " Son of God.

 

3.  Christ was of human flesh for only 3 1/2 years.

 

4.  Christ was not the physical descendent of David -  only in some spiritual sense.

 

5.  Christ was not "God on earth" during His ministry. 

 

6.  The "Trinity" is false doctrine. 

 

7.  God is male and has a penis. 

 

8.  God illuminates His disciples to the extent that discussion and books are not necessary.  Because of this "illumination,"  the understanding of acripture can be "received" from the Spirit without fear of being wrong.   Those who have this Spirit cannot be mistaken when it comes to the Bible and what it means to say.    And those who disagree with this are false teachers and need to be opposed.

 

9.  The old law is binding and continues to be something we must obey.

 

 

I would add to this list  --  but I am sure this will be sufficent . 

Dean, you and Judy are the very definition of  "cult!!"   but nice try.  And what do you want to bet that BSF will not agree? 

 

By the way  -  you are the one who has set the tone for this response.   This is the fruit of your ministry.   Accusing me of preaching the occult is not going to fly.   

 

jd

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

.Amen Dean,

JD I figure you were thinking of Proverbs 11:14b when you wrote what you say below ie: "in the multitude of

counsellors there is safety"  However the "counsellors" referred to in Proverbs ARE those of God's Word or

the Biblical text as you call it.  They all say the same thing by the same Spirit and this is the counsel in which

we find safety.  Groupthink??  Anathema!!

 

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:02:15 -0500 "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

cd: A very good definition of the birth of a cult John. No one truth to live by but group thinking-No standards to point our error if the group agrees with the present circumstance-I can see why your group don't like preaching such as David does-the one is dominated by the many as his voice is lost in the power of the mass.

 

JD writes:

In the biblical concept of the church

I see an avenue for  continuing revelation, and if not revelation,  certainly interpretation or understanding.   If you will, it is in the counsel of many that our understanding of the biblical text is expanded and/or confirmed.     How important, it is, then,  that the church continue to meet in forums such as this  --  whether virtual or physical.   A community of Being reveals Himself to a community of Believers and it is out of this communal reality that our understanding of God and His t houghts is borne.  

 

jd