Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm satisfied that you caught my meaning.----- Original Message -----From: Kevin DeeganSent: March 04, 2006 01:01Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?"Ye compass land and sea............" I couldn't have chosen a subject that ismore apropo
Why not state the WHOLE scripture?Remeber that CONTEXT thingy.MT 23:5 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.Context HYPOCRITES it is all over the chapter!HYP'OCRITE, n.1. One who feigns to be what he is not; one who has the form of godliness without the power, or who assumes an appearance of piety and virtue, when he is destitute of true religion.And the hypocrite's hope shall perish. Job.8.2. A dissembler; one who assumes a false appearance.Fair hypocrite, you seek to cheat in vain.Definition from Webster's American Dictionary of the English Language, 1828.Now where were we?O yeah we were discussing preaching from a soapbox with out any resultant ACTION on the part of the preacher.another words saying while not doing. TALK IS CHEAPWould preaching against WMD whilst funding the same thru CPP and Canadian exports of DEPLETED Uranium qualify as HYPOCRITICAL?BTW Great Chapter MT 23 here is some more:Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. (context saying whilest not DOing?)
Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers.What are you doing about the problem?----- Original Message -----From: Lance MuirSent: 3/3/2006 7:58:45 AMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?"Ye compass land and sea............" I couldn't have chosen a subject that is more apropo. In a wierd kind of way I suppose, I should thank TT for continued examples...----- Original Message -----From: Kevin DeeganSent: March 03, 2006 07:35Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?I send you link after link on RC's being tried by the International court, you tell me what someone told you.Facts VS HearsayIf this sampling of repartee is as good as it gets.....(oh yah! my ideology can beat up your ideology! ) then, perspectivalism thy name is Truth(?)talk!----- Original Message -----From: Kevin DeeganSent: March 03, 2006 07:17Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?FACT- Hearsay
Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:In FACT I have my FACTS straight. My source for my FACTS was in Rwanda. FACT: I've known this person for 15 years. FACT:He is a (non RCC) Christian.----- Original Message -----From: Kevin DeeganSent: March 03, 2006 06:44Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Then why do you blame "Christians" for Rwandan genocide when it was ROMAN CATholics?The earth is flat, we did't actually go to the moon (it was shot in a movie studio), the moon is made of green cheese, the universe is geocentric, alien abductions proliferate, the rapture is coming, 6 day young earth creationism ought to be taught in schools (?), RCC is/is not Christian, US foreign policy is flawless, the trilateral commission works for the good of womankind, all TRUE believers understand scripture as it should be understood and all TRUE believers live sin free.Of course facts matter and, they are not irrelevant.----- Original Message -----From: Kevin DeeganSent: March 03, 2006 06:16Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Facts are such STUBBORN things....Simply read the 'subject' along with the content ('spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism, self-righteousness and pride!) of some of the posts of some. I rest my case your honor.----- Original Message -----From: Kevin DeeganSent: March 02, 2006 19:08Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Some of those in Rwanda who perpetrated the genocide were believers.WRONG AGAINStop slurring Christians by trying to lump them in with Catholic KILLERS.You play real loose with Facts. Are Facts irrelevant to you?Maybe you need a program so you can tell apart the players?Rwandan nuns were convicted of murder for their roles in the massacre of 7,000 Tutsis who sought protection at a Benedictine convent.I think that means it was those loving catholics again!Same old RC Church as it ever was:an international court is trying several Catholic priests for their alleged role in the massacres, in which Hutus murdered 800,000 minority Tutsis and moderate HutusCatholic World News: http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=39498
Kigali, Sep. 08, 2005 (CWNews.com) - Authorities in Rwanda have arrested a Belgian Catholic priest on charges related to the genocidal massacres of 1994.Father Seromba's trial at the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda will revive heated debate about the role of the Catholic Church during the dark days of 1994. The Catholic hierarchy in Rwanda had close ties to extremist politicians in the run up to the genocide and some priests like Father Seromba are accused of actively assisting the Hutu militias.In 2001, two nuns were found guilty of taking part in the genocide in a Belgian court. The Vatican accepts there are individuals in the church who committed crimes, but controversially, it says the Church as an institution cannot be held to blame. At the time of the genocide, some 60% of Rwandans were Catholic but some have since converted to Islam, saying the Church failed them in 1994.http://www.pambazuka.org/en/category/features/21165 Rwanda was the most Christianized country in Africa and the Roman Catholics were far and away the largest Christian denomination. Catholicism was virtually the official state religion. Catholic officials had enormous influence at both the elite and the grassroots level, which they consistently failed to use to protest against the governments overtly racist policies and practices. Indeed, the Church gave the government moral authority. Once the genocide began, Catholic leaders in the main refused to condemn the government, never used the word genocide, and many individual priests and nuns actually aided the genocidaires.This is just another show of what happens when the Catholics & the Government are in BED TOG$TH$RAbSOLUTE ANNIHILATION whether it was then or now.Call it genocide if you want I call it the TRUE BELIEVER doing service to their 'god'Catholic and Reformed Catholic are just as TOLERANT as the MuslimGENOCIDE IS Roman Catholicism!"And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus..."See the HIGHLITES of their HISTORY below>>>>>Argument 2d. Experience shows that terror is not effective. I reply, EXPERIENCE PROVES THE CONTRARYFOR THE DONATISTS, MANICHEANS, AND ALBIGENSES WERE ROUTED, AND ANNIHILATED BY ARMS. -- Robert Bellarmine, Disputationes de Controversiis, Tom. ii, Lib. III, cap. XXII, "Objections Answered," 1682 edition.St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre of 24 August 17 September 1572, Catholics killed many Huguenots in Paris & other towns: estimated total death toll of 70,000Roman Catholic Ustaa 1941 to 1943, the regime slaughtered at least (estimates range up to 1 million) 250,000 Serb residents of Croatia and Bosnia, and more than 20,000 Jews.1941-JUL-22, Dr. Mile Budak, the Ustaa Minister of Education and Cults, said: "The movement of the Ustashi is based on religion. For minorities-Serbs, Jews and Gypsies, we have three million bullets. We shall kill one part of the Serbs. We shall transport another, and the rest of them will be forced to embrace the Roman Catholic religion. Thus, our new Croatia will get rid of all Serbs in our midst in order to become one hundred percent Catholic within ten years."Inquisition: It has been estimated by careful and reputed historians of the Catholic Inquisition that 50 million people were slaughtered for the crime of "heresy" by Roman persecutors between the A.D. 606 and the middle of the 19th century. By their own (RC) count 125,000 trials of suspected heretics in Spain alone, in Portugal, 5.7 percent of the more than 13,000 people tried before church tribunals in the 16th and early 17th century were condemned to death.Clarks Martyrology counts the number of Waldensian martyrs during the first half of the 13th century in France alone at two million. From A.D. 1160-1560 the Waldensians that dwelt in the Italian Alps were visited with 36 different fierce persecutions that spared neither age nor sex (Thomas Armitage, A History of the Baptists, "Post-Apostolic Times -- The Waldensians," 1890). They were almost completely destroyed as a people and most of their literary record was erased from the face of the earth.
From the year 1540 to 1570 "it is proved by national authentic testimony, that nearly one million of Protestants were publicly put to death in various countries in Europe, besides all those who were privately destroyed, and of whom no human record exists" (J.P. Callender, Illustrations of Popery, 1838, p. 400)."From the birth of Popery in 606 to the present time, it is estimated by careful and credible historians, that more than fifty millions of the human family, have been slaughtered for the crime of heresy by popish persecutors, an average of more than forty thousand religious murders for every year of the existence of popery." -- "History of Romanism," pp. 541, 542. New York: 1871.These are no kin of mine.Maybe they are your forefathers?That is why you are trying to cover?
Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:You are far too sophisticated for this old boy from Canada, Kevin. Believers (DM seems to prefer this word over 'Christians'. I honestly think that if you're one of 'em then, it doesn't really matter what you call 'em.) are capable of doing some bad stuff. Some of that 'bad stuff' is really bad stuff.For example: Some of those in Rwanda who perpetrated the genocide were believers. There are other examples but, I'll leave it there.'NEW WORLD ORDER'??? You're not one of those conspiracy theory types are you?----- Original Message -----From: Kevin DeeganSent: March 01, 2006 20:21Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Lance wrote: Believers in all religions are equal opportunity 'throat slitters'In one little statement you accomplish:1)Your affinity with murderous religious thugs (since you are a member of the set "ALL RELIGIONS")2)The inability of true believers to understand Jesus wordsJhn 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.3) make the victims of the drownings, hangings, burnings, & the sword deserving of such treatment and as morally wrong as the religious murderers (RC & Reformed RC's) (surely in your eyes being a part of "all religions" they would do the same.In spite of the historical facts that some do not have BLOOD on their hands!)Jhn 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.The OLD WORLD ORDER is the same as the NEW WORLD ORDERThe names have been changed to protect the guilty.
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