Judy, I never inquired Blaine's expertise in astrology regarding my birth sign, and it would be better to say that my comment to him was about his INACCURACY in astrology. So take it to the bank that I have been misrepresented by Dean because of his misreading of my post. Lance is entirely right when he speaks of a faulty reading. So do you now conclude that Dean is lying or is genuinely deceived? I prefer to think of it as a misunderstanding, not understanding what he is reading.
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cd: I am surprised and disappointed that you would be any part of this sin David.
> [Original Message]
> Date: 2/15/2006 6:45:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Behind the scenes conversations re:David Miller
>
> Blaine, considering that I am an identical twin myself, I do understand how
> what you just said would be a reality check for astrology. :-)
>
> David Miller
> Born March 3, 1960
> 4:50 am
> Cleveland, Ohio.
> In a snow blizzard that dumped 24 inches of snow.
>
>
> > David Miller
> >
> > p.s. Blaine... my astrological sign is pices. I guess that astrology isn't
> > helping you be too predictive after all. :-)
>
> Thank you David, I have wondered about that. Pisces is my opposite sign,
> and, being the sign of transition from Winter to Spring, is next to Aries,
> the sign that ushers in Springtime (1st degree Aries is also the first day
> of Spring). I believe all things are written in the stars--the trick is
> in reading them accurately. :>) I try, and sometimes get pretty close to
> people by doing so. But humans are so complex!! Astrology helps, but is
> not, of course, infallible. But thanks for being open--lots of people will
> not divulge their birth info to me, probably think by doing so I might form
> unjustified opinions of them. :>)
>
> One thing, though, without precise birth info--date, time of day, and place
> of birth--you can't tell too much beyond generalities. The beauty of precise
> astrological analysis is that no two personalities can ever be the same--not
> even identical twins--which is a reality check for astrology few people
> understand.
> Blainer
>
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] il.innglory.org
> > Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 2:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Behind the scenes conversations re:David Miller
> >
> > In a message dated 2/13/2006 12:02:28 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> >
> > I've not forgotten you, David. IMO, you are both incorrect and immoveable
> > on
> > at least a portion of that which is under discussion. What I've got to
> > determine is whether or not it is worth the 'ink' to engage further with
> > you
> > given what I've just said. I'm checking around with some who've read you
> > over time.
> >
> > Lance.
> >
> > Yes, David is pretty fixed--he was probably born under one of the four
> > fixed
> > signs--Leo, Taurus, Scorpio, or Aquarius. Or, he's one of those highly
> > independent Aries characters, who never admit to being wrong!! If I knew
> > for sure, I could read him better.
> > Blainerb
> >
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller
Understanding is not the issue here Lance ...
Did David Miller inquire of Blaine's expertise in astrology regarding his birth sign?
He either did or he did not regardless of personal views
If he did then he IS NOT being misrepresented here.
IF he DID NOT then someone is lying about it or genuinely deceived (with same outcome)
Your criticism of DM on astrology is based upon a faulty 'reading'. This faulty reading was exhibited by Kevin re:David's nuanced take on pagan, cult/sect & Mormonism.Genuine conversations take place when the view of the other person is equitably represented. Now, if ppl can't read TT with understanding then what are we to make of their reading of the Scriptures?
Blaine has posted a number of times refering to Astrology.
What do you think of such?
cd: It goes much deeper than that Bro. Kevin- David Miller was actually having Blaine do readings for Him-gave him his birth dated and even comment on how actuate the reading were-have you ever heard of the likes from a man of God? No different then what we saw in front of the Catholic off Bourbon street remember? Seems that some believers won't request God's prediction on the future or even ask Him they have to inquire of spirits.Here is God's take on the matter.
Isa 47:13
Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.
Isa 47:14
Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.
Isa 47:15
Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast labored, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee.
Lev 19:31
Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.
cd: Has David defiled himself ? My suggestion is for repentence to be given-in sackcloth and ashes if need be-Serous matter.
PA'GAN, n. [L. paganus, a peasant or countryman, from pagus, a village.] A heathen; a Gentile; an
idolater; one who worships false gods. This word was originally applied to the inhabitants of the country, who on the first propagation of the christian religion adhered to the worship of false gods, or refused to receive christianity, after it had been received by the inhabitants of the cities. In like manner, heathen signifies an inhabitant of the heath or woods, and caffer, in Arabic, signifies the inhabitant of a hut or cottage, and one that does not receive the religion of Mohammed. Pagan is used to distinguish one from a Christian and a Mohammedan.
PA'GAN, a. Heathen; heathenish; Gentile; noting a person who worships false gods.
1. Pertaining to the worship of false gods.
Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
OK let me chime in I will restate it for Dean
DH's BELIEFS are Pagan!
DAVEH: OK Kevin....specifically in what way do draw that conclusion? What is it that you think I believe that qualifies as a pagan belief? First, you may want to define what you think pagan means so we will have a common starting point.
Kevin Deegan wrote:
"You .. are a pagan" is not the same as "Your beliefs are pagan"
For the sake of Lance (IYO)
OK let me chime in I will restate it for Dean
DH's BELIEFS are Pagan!
So does the BIBLE practice ADHOMS?
AND name names!
Sop let me get this straight Paul should NOT have said:
Acts 13 Elymas the sorcerer ...
PAUL SAYS: And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?
SHOULD BE
And said, O full of all subtilty beliefs and all beliefs of mischief, thou child with beliefs of the devil, thou believing against all righteousness, wilt thou not cease believing to pervert the right ways of the Lord? (what VERSION would this be? )
Since Paul was FULL of the Holy Ghost (IMO VS 9) when he said this does that mean God called Elymas A DEVIL? Is God ADHOM? Did God call him a PERVERT?
You DaveH are a Pagan.
DAVEH: I respectfully disagree, Judge Dean. To me, your above comment is a blatant ad-hom
Why is attacking your genuinely held beliefs an attack on your person?
Seriously; can you expound? KD
DH can make the point but let me chime in here, as well. "You .. are a pagan" is not the same as "Your beliefs are pagan>"
Those who have eyes, let them see, Lord.
jd
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From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
You DaveH are a Pagan.
DAVEH: ; I respectfully disagree, Judge Dean. To me, your above comment is a blatant ad-hom
Why is attacking your genuinely held beliefs an attack on your person?
Seriously; can you expound?
I called you a Mormon-to which you do not deny-You called me a Christian to wit I did not deny. By doing so you separated the two-and as receiving the first (Mormon) and tagging me with the second(Christian) you have clearly showed yourself to be non Christian
DAVEH: What kind of convoluted logic is that, Judge Dean??? Does any other TTer who understands what Dean said above, agree with his explanation?
You DaveH are a Pagan.
DAVEH: I respectfully disagree, Judge Dean. To me, your above comment is a blatant ad-hom, and I will request Judge Moore take the appropriate action if you do not wish to apologize.
he fact that you do not follow the teaching of Jesus Christ
DAVEH: Is that coming from Judge Dean, or Judge Moore?
Get over it the truth is not an Ad. Homein attack
DAVEH: Really?!?!?!?! Did you just make a new TT rule, Judge Moore? Or was that Judge Dean expressing his unfounded wishes?
state a petition to impeach me
DAVEH: Seems to me that you are doing a good job of it on your own.
I am not Judge Dean
DAVEH: Then am I to assume that every t
ime you pass judgment, you are speaking as Judge Moore?
by your standards isn't that Ad. Homein attacking
DAVEH: ??? I thought we were playing the game by your standards, Judge Dean! Hence.....Get over it the truth is not an Ad. Homein attack according to you.
I will have to
g o to the Moderator
DAVEH: I've not had much luck with him, but I suspect he will listen to you.
Are you implyin g Dean called you such NAMES?
DAVEH: I'll let Judge Dean answer that, Kevin..........I say/demand again " Get the "Church of Jesus Christ" name off your temple Pagan!!!
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