RE: [TruthTalk] unREASONable men

Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:19:48 -0800


Invariably those that Yell Intolerance the loudest are also those that are the most Intolerant
 
Those that love to Call others McCarthyites become what they preach against.
They ignore Reason/Facts for Feelings/Opinions
 
Since they have abandoned Reason like a Runaway Bride, there is nothing left but to Yell. This is the crowd that shouts down speeches by those they feel are intolerant of their feelings.
 
Reason is not valued so they become mere NON Thinking parrots repeating the party line in repetitive mantras.
Those that reason are doomed to being frustrated trying to reason with those that are guided by feelings
 
But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
 
And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.
 

ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Apparently so, Lance. In the past I have often attempted to reason with you
and your friends, as Judy and David and Kevin still do, with facts and
reasonable discussion. But instead of responding with further discussion,
one is only met with belittling, derision and mocking. Anything that comes
from faith and the heart, from the Bible or the Holy Spirit is scorned.
That type of response is what eventually causes the Lord to turn a person
over to their sin until they have had their fill of it. There comes a time
when Believers should no longer strive with scoffers. Matthew 7:6
" Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before
swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to
pieces. One can only wait with an open heart for the prodigals to repent and
return. That is why I look forward to David closing TruthTalk, as it
currently seems to provide too much of a forum for men to sin and bring
judgment upon themselves. I hope one day to embrace each and every one of
you on the other side, where we will all be adoring Jesus together. Matthew
19:26 And looking at them Jesus said to them, " With people this is
impossible, but with God all things are possible." Izzy

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin: Purim
2006-Not All Authority is Bad

Are they indeed?


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2006-Not All Authority is Bad


> Gnats have injured my ego more than you and yours are capable of doing.
> Too
> bad your objectives on TT are thwarted. iz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 5:39 AM
> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin: Purim
> 2006-Not All Authority is Bad
>
> Correction then, Iz: You're soooooooooo shallow. (That's gwine reach me.)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: March 23, 2006 06:36
> Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin: Purim
> 2006-Not All Authority is Bad
>
>
>> I'm just trying to stay at a level that can reach you, Lance. :-) iz
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 2:13 PM
>> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
>> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin: Purim
>> 2006-Not All Authority is Bad
>>
>> You're soooooooooo deep, Iz.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To:
>> Sent: March 22, 2006 14:22
>> Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin: Purim
>> 2006-Not All Authority is Bad
>>
>>
>>> Baloney.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 7:04 AM
>>> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
>>> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin:
>>> Purim
>>> 2006-Not All Authority is Bad
>>>
>>> Even at this late date such a response is unworthy of you. Israel, on
>>> some
>>> occasions (see it's Lebanese incursion), OPPRESSES!
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To:
>>> Sent: March 21, 2006 21:49
>>> Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin:
>>> Purim
>>> 2006-Not All Authority is Bad
>>>
>>>
>>>> But Israel oppresses its enemies by EXISTING!!! (Poor sissies!) iz
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 4:06 PM
>>>> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin:
>>>> Purim
>>>> 2006-Not All Authority is Bad
>>>>
>>>> Lance says Israel, many times oppressed and, often by believers, has
>>>> adopted the role of oppressor.
>>>>
>>>> ROTFL
>>>> That is Ludicrous on the face of it.
>>>> Where did you pick this whopper up?
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps you need a Geography lesson!
>>>> http://www.masada2000.org/geography.html
>>>> Israel in RED , is a democratic nation 1/19th the size of California,
>>>> SURROUNDED by 22 hostile Arab/Islamic dictatorships with 640 TIMES her
>>>> size, 60 TIMES her population and ALL the oil. How dare Arab
>>>> propagandists call Israel "expansionist!" And how dare anyone believe
>>>> them! How can Israel, which occupies one-sixth of one percent of the
>>>> lands called Arab, be responsible for the political dissatisfaction of
>>>> 22 Arab countries? How can the 13 million Jews in the world (almost 5
>>>> million fewer than they were in 1939!) be blamed for the problems of
>>>> the 300 million Arabs, who have brotherly ties to 1.4 billion Muslims
>>>> worldwide?
>>>>
>>>> I guess DAVID OPPRESSED GOLIATH too!!!!!!!!
>>>> Israel Oppressing the Arabs is like the UN call for disarmament of
>>>> David before he meets Goliath!
>>>> LOL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Lance chimes in: Just like you and I, Linda, John has gone on the odd
>>>>> 'rant'. but, my goodness, JOHN IS IN NO WAY ANTI-SEMITIC! Sadly,
>>>>> Israel, many times oppressed and, often by believers, has adopted the
>>>>> role of oppressor.This is WHO WE ARE WHEN IN POWER.
>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
>>>>> Sent: March 21, 2006 12:11
>>>>> Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin:
>>>>> Purim 2006-Not All Authority is Bad
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There is little point in talking with someone who knows me better
>>>>> than I know me. Such arrogant surmising is the product of the kind
>>>>> of narrowness that I disregard.
>>>>>
>>>>> jd
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------- Original message --------------
>>>>> From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jd, I never said the Jews will be restored Outside of the church;
>>>>> they will be become believers. You say you don't dislike Jews more
>>>>> than any other unbelievers. It is obvious to me that you do. Your
>>>>> stereotypes and slurs are very revealing. Izzy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Romans 11
>>>>> Israel Is Not Cast Away
>>>>> 1I say then, God has not (A)rejected His people, has He? (B)May
>>>>> it never be! For (C)I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham,
>>>>> of the tribe of Benjamin.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2God (D)has not rejected His people whom He (E)foreknew (F)Or do
>>>>> you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how
>>>>> he pleads with God against Israel?
>>>>>
>>>>> 3"Lord, (G)THEY HAVE KILLED YOUR PROPHETS, THEY HAVE TORN DOWN
>>>>> YOUR ALTARS, AND I ALONE AM LEFT, AND THEY ARE SEEKING MY LIFE."
>>>>>
>>>>> 4But what is the divine response to him? "(H)I HAVE KEPT for
>>>>> Myself SEVEN THOUSAND MEN WHO HAVE NOT BOWED THE KNEE TO BAAL."
>>>>>
>>>>> 5In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present
>>>>> time (I)a remnant according to God's gracious choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> 6But (J)if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of
>>>>> works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.
>>>>>
>>>>> 7What then? What (K)Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but
>>>>> those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were (L)hardened;
>>>>>
>>>>> 8just as it is written,
>>>>> "(M)GOD GAVE THEM A SPIRIT OF STUPOR,
>>>>> EYES TO SEE NOT AND EARS TO HEAR NOT,
>>>>> DOWN TO THIS VERY DAY."
>>>>>
>>>>> 9And David says,
>>>>> "(N)LET THEIR TABLE BECOME A SNARE AND A TRAP,
>>>>> AND A STUMBLING BLOCK AND A RETRIBUTION TO THEM.
>>>>> 10"(O)LET THEIR EYES BE DARKENED TO SEE NOT,
>>>>> AND BEND THEIR BACKS FOREVER."
>>>>>
>>>>> 11(P)I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they?
>>>>> (Q)May it never be! But by their transgression (R)salvation has come
>>>>> to the Gentiles, to (S)make them jealous.
>>>>>
>>>>> 12Now if their transgression is riches for the world and their
>>>>> failure is riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their
>>>>> (T)fulfillment be!
>>>>>
>>>>> 13But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as
>>>>> (U)I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,
>>>>>
>>>>> 14if somehow I might (V)move to jealousy (W)my fellow countrymen
>>>>> and (X)save some of them.
>>>>>
>>>>> 15For if their rejection is the (Y)reconciliation of the world,
>>>>> what will their acceptance be but (Z)life from the dead?
>>>>>
>>>>> 16If the (AA)first piece of dough is holy, the lump is also; and
>>>>> if the root is holy, the branches are too.
>>>>>
>>>>> 17But if some of the (AB)branches were broken off, and (AC)you,
>>>>> being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker
>>>>> with them of the rich root of the olive tree,
>>>>>
>>>>> 18do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are
>>>>> arrogant, remember that (AD)it is not you who supports the root, but
>>>>> the root supports you.
>>>>>
>>>>> 19(AE)You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I
>>>>> might be grafted in."
>>>>>
>>>>> 20Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you
>>>>> (AF)stand by your faith (AG)Do not be conceited, but fear;
>>>>>
>>>>> 21for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not
>>>>> spare you, either.
>>>>>
>>>>> 22Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who
>>>>> fell, severity, but to you, God's (AH)kindness, (AI)if you continue
>>>>> in His kindness; otherwise you also (AJ)will be cut off.
>>>>>
>>>>> 23And they also, (AK)if they do not continue in their unbelief,
>>>>> will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
>>>>>
>>>>> 24For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive
>>>>> tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive
>>>>> tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be
>>>>> grafted into their own olive tree?
>>>>>
>>>>> 25For (AL)I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this
>>>>> (AM)mystery--so that you will not be (AN)wise in your own
>>>>> estimation--that a partial (AO)hardening has happened to Israel until
>>>>> the (AP)fullness of the Gentiles has come in;
>>>>>
>>>>> 26and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,
>>>>> "(AQ)THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION,
>>>>> HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."
>>>>> 27"(AR)THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM,
>>>>> (AS)WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS."
>>>>>
>>>>> 28From the standpoint of the gospel they are (AT)enemies for
>>>>> your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved
>>>>> for (AU)the sake of the fathers;
>>>>>
>>>>> 29for the gifts and the (AV)calling of God (AW)are irrevocable.
>>>>>
>>>>> 30For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have
>>>>> been shown mercy because of their disobedience,
>>>>>
>>>>> 31so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the
>>>>> mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy.
>>>>>
>>>>> 32For (AX)God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may
>>>>> show mercy to all.
>>>>>
>>>>> 33Oh, the depth of (AY)the riches both of the (AZ)wisdom and
>>>>> knowledge of God! (BA)How unsearchable are His judgments and
>>>>> unfathomable His ways!
>>>>>
>>>>> 34For (BB)WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, OR WHO BECAME HIS
>>>>> COUNSELOR?
>>>>>
>>>>> 35Or (BC)WHO HAS FIRST GIVEN TO HIM THAT IT MIGHT BE PAID BACK
>>>>> TO HIM AGAIN?
>>>>>
>>>>> 36For (BD)from Him and through Him and to Him are all things
>>>>> (BE)To Him be the glory forever. Amen.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:20 PM
>>>>> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
>>>>> Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel
>>>>> Lapin: Purim 2006-Not All Authority is Bad
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> First , I am not a dispensationalist -- never have been and
>>>>> very likely never will be. It is an American theological invention.
>>>>> a man named Darby being its first major proponent, and Scolfield
>>>>> along with Dallas Theological Seminary being the back bone of its
>>>>> critical acclaim.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Secondly, an unregenerated Jew is no different than an
>>>>> unregenerated Floridian.
>>>>>
>>>>> I give no honor to any race of people for the simple reason that
>>>>> such was never the intention of God -- never. Jews get no credit
>>>>> from me for the Messiah -- they rejected Him then, killed him,
>>>>> came into the church thinking that the Church was to play a role in
>>>>> establishing them as the Kingdom of God upon this earth - and left
>>>>> the church almost to the man in the years following the fall of their
>>>>> holy city. There is more blasphemy on Jewish sites than perhaps the
>>>>> sites of any other world religion.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That God is going to reestablish the Jewish people outside the
>>>>> blessings of the Church of Jesus Christ is simply not a biblical
>>>>> conclusion.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And the main point , for me, that you skim over, is the fact that
>>>>> I do not hate the Jew. Israel was created by agreements of the
>>>>> young United Nations. Their new land was nothing like what it is
>>>>> today. And the hatred of Palestinians goes beyond that which is
>>>>> reasonable or even human, at times. The surrounding Muslim/Arab
>>>>> world's determination to destroy Isreal without the possibility of
>>>>> compromise is disgustingly stupid to me Where, at one time, I had
>>>>> some regard for the Muslim religion , today, I have none. I think
>>>>> it is violent at its core, a faith built upon a hatred for all who
>>>>> are not Muslim.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But I have little regard for Judaism, as well. A very
>>>>> materialistic people, fully antagonistic to the Living Christ in
>>>>> terms of matters of faith and practice. Biblically speaking,
>>>>> Judaism reached full term in Jesus Christ. It is not a sister
>>>>> religion. Where some consider the Old Testament as the history of
>>>>> the Jewish people, I really view it as the history of the Church.
>>>>> God's chosen are to be found within the body of Christ.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> jd
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------- Original message --------------
>>>>> From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jd, there are not yet many Jews who know their Messiah, as you
>>>>> know. Soon there will be. What bewilders me is why you rarely miss
>>>>> a chance to take a shot at Jews, yet not the mormons or the RCC who
>>>>> are true apostates. They claim to serve Jesus and yet are
>>>>> anti-Christs preaching a different Jesus and a different gospel. The
>>>>> Jews at least are honest about their stance on Jesus. I have a
>>>>> special place in my heart for Jews because my Savior is a Jew,
>>>>> because the Father says they are His chosen people, and because one
>>>>> day Jesus will again restore Israel into His kingdom. Why doesn't
>>>>> that have any meaning for you? izzy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 4:23 PM
>>>>> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
>>>>> Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel
>>>>> Lapin: Purim 2006-Not All Authority is Bad
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is what I said, Linda.: "Do you know of any orthodox Jews
>>>>> who do not deny the Christ? And why does that not have any meaning
>>>>> to you? I will give my money to the needy, thank you very much. "
>>>>> There in not one hateful word in that comment -- not one.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You can choose to continue to run your mouth or maybe, just
>>>>> maybe, you can stop with your dedicated effort to make me look as
>>>>> bad as possible and actually answer the above question.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am for US aid to Israel. I am not for spending one penny
>>>>> from church coffers. but go ahead and blast the RCC or those on this
>>>>> forum who are dedicated followers of Christ and kiss up to those who
>>>>> deny the Lord you claim to serve.
>>>>>
>>>>> I expect such conduct from you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> jd
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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