I know many scientists who are Christians and hold to theistic
evolution. That does not mean that they bring that view in when they
practice science. They are not allowed and they will be the first to
tell you.
I don't see myself as a fundamentalist, but I'm not going to fight with
those who characterize me as such.
I like Pat Robertson. He is not a dufus from my perspective.
I do not favor the idea of forcing the teaching of creation in
schools. I am against the notion of forbidding teachers from dealing
with this subject matter. I'm against the idea of it being illegal
to teach creation science in schools. I have known many high
school teachers that would not have the problem that you outline below.
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Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:20
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] on
Creationism
Daivd, I have several books on my shelves written by
Christian scientists proclaiming some version of theistic
evolution.
Secondly, you and are both members of the
fundamentalist community. If you have missed the M.O. of any
number of our brethren, I haven't.
Look at Pat Robertson. A Dufus of major proportions.
He has his foot in his mouth so often they now measure that
cavity in terms of shoe size !!
The cause of Christ would become even more difficult
if we allowed this to happen. At least the
way it is now, we (the Christian community) can somewhat hide these
guys from society. The KKK was made up of mostly
Christian claiming people.
Can you imagine? "OK, students, we have just
completed our study on evolution from a scientific point of
view. Now , we enter into the Christian notion of creation
-- or should I say the several versions of same !! (and
the teacher smiles.) We only had space in the text book for five such
theories. I personally do not believe any of them -- and I
need to make that clear to you before "they" pass some law that says I
cannot influence your thinking with such a statement -- but I
will do the best I can. Before I begin, how many of
you care about any of this ........... show of hands,
please ............. I said "show of ...."
............. oh, I get get it. Well , we have to consider each
of these accounts of creation, anyway, and there will be a
test. I must say, it seems a bit odd for me. I mean, I wil
l be making a presentation of a biblical nature, but , of
course, we are not permitted to present from the Bible --
so I really do not know why this is not being done in church
.. but here goes
..........................................................."
jd
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From: "David Miller"
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I really do not understand how it is that you think Fundies have
destroyed any opportunity for creationism in schools. The problem is
that the scientific establishment has taken the position that any mention
of a Creator departs from science. Lance's position of theistic
evolution is flatly rejected by science. So the Fundies are not
hindering creationism in schools. Scientists are. Are you
really blind to this fact?
David Miller
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Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006
10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] on
Creationism
With much debate, the Fundies destroy any opportunity to place
"creationism" into the school programs for the reason stated
below. Amen.
And, again, a foot in the door would only allow the warring
hordes (Rad Fundies) to swarm our educational institutions and run
helter skelter -- yelling and screaming at each other while,
at the very same time, claiming victory for the Right Side.
Scary.
jd
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From: "Lance Muir"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
There are as many 'species' of
creationists as fish. Put a million of 'em at the keyboards of
computers and they'd come up with.....well...what they've already come
up with. I rest my case your honor.
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Sent: March 23, 2006
06:44
Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw:
Williams on Creationism
Why advocate teaching what you don't know
JD? As has already been noted "Only when we prove
evolution do we need to concern ourselves
with "harmonizing" evolutionism with theism. Evidence
that
this level of proof has not been achieved
includes the long list of scientists and others who have
abandoned
Darwinism because they became convinced
that the scientific evidence DOES NOT support it. So
why
would you want to warp young minds with
useless information that is not proven? judyt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm talking about fundy creationist versions in the school
systems and you are talking about religious
people!!! Amazing
Maybe we should install a different creationist version for
every major school system
.................... I am sure we can find enough
fundy ideas to go around. That way , you would have to
worry about consensus and no one will have the slightest
idea what to believe. but you and Kev will be happy.
CONSENSUS BE DAMNED. KNOW THE TRUTH AND IT SHALL
MAKE YOU FREE !! jd
From:
Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I surmised as much JD; my point being
that religious ppl have many
and varied points of view about
anything and everything and this is no
measure by which to gauge what is
needful or true.
Do you even know what this thread is about,
Judy?
WHICH VIEW OF CREATIONISM GETS INTO THE
CIRRICULUM -- HUH ???
From:
Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
So?
There isn't a single view of the
whole church that is agreed upon
by the whole church either.
What does that prove? judyt
Perhaps the Bishop has the same concerns I
do. I know this --
there isn't a single view of creationism that is
agreed upon by the whole church.
jd
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From: "David
Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
John wrote:
> The world in which we live would reject
> any mention of God in the evolutionary
process,
> IMO. But creationism in
the schools? Could
> that not be considered the beginnings of a
fanatical
> fundamentalist take-over of the culture?
ROTFLOL. I sure hope you were being
facetious on purpose.
John wrote:
> But to allow a mere statement that
suggests God
> is somehow in control as the
Creator(?) If this
> could be presented into the secular system
of
> education without it being coopted by the
fundies
> -- go for it. But I doubt
that it can. What a shame
> that radical fundamentalism within
Christiandom forces
> the Body to dismiss a perfectly wonderful
opportunity
> to introduce the Creator to others.
In case you did not notice, the
fundamentalists are not causing the
acknowledgement of our Creator to be forbidden
in schools. It is the liberal loonies like
this Archbishop of Canterbury who are doing
this.
David Miller
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