RE: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march

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Matthew 11:12 " From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force.   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 8:36 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: Kevin Deegan Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march   I was responding to this jewel:   violent thinking is not violent action > And who gets elected to be the thought police anyway?   -------------- Original message -------------- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If I am talking like Hill & North it must be a typo or More Likely a Parity Error on your end! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No one's talking about "thought police,"  Kev.  If you want to talk like Hill and North  -  expect the rest of us who listen to you to think you are of the same ilk, denials not withstanding.    That's all I am saying.        jd   -------------- Original message -------------- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > violent thinking is not violent action > And who gets elected to be the thought police anyway? > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > IFO can accept this self-characterization. But when your words sound > > like North's or Paul Hill's, they allow others to see a similarity in > > your thoughts as compared to the violent thinking of those named > > above. > > > > jd > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > > > > First you accuse me of being Gary North and then you tell me you > > agree > > > with my critique of his philosophy? (see your post below) > > > Which is it Lance? I do not understa nd such behavior it seems > > > irrational to me. > > > > > > I absolutely am not a ROMAN Papist. > > > > > > Seems to me the Canadian Gov't is on a witch hunt the likes of > > > MccarthyISM. > > > The State of Canada has become the Potentate on a hunt for illegal > > > thoughts and will enFORCE by threat of law and public censure. > > > Only diff McCarthy was right the US had been infiltrated! > > > > > > The only force I believe in is the Force of God's words. > > > You have the right to believe anything you want and I have the > > right to > > > violently disagree with words NO SWORDS! > > > > > > --- Lance Muir wrote: > > > > > > > Did you know that 'he' will not repeat that infamous line no > > matter > > > > who asks? > > > > > > > > So, K evin, I undertake to write more than 1 line and, you do what > > you > > > > do so well; simply give up a smart-ass reply. It's little wonder > > that > > > > SPers are not well received either in Salt Lake or, anywhere > > else! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Kevin Deegan > > > > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > > > Sent: March 24, 2006 08:15 > > > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you talking to me, Gary North? > > > > > > > > Lance Muir wrote: > > > > My critique of this would be similar to your own. Granted that a > > > > civil society is an improvement on an uncivil one. Granted that a > > > > > > moral society is an improvement on an immoral one... Granted that > & gt; ; some > > > > attempt to govern their lives by the so-called 'golden rule' or, > > by > > > > the ten commandments. These also offer up a social improvement on > > > > > > that which opposes the foregoing. > > > > > > > > Please, please tell me Kevin, Judy, David and Iz that the genuine > > > > > > 'renovation of the heart' would/should include all of the above? > > I do > > > > believe that some of y'all have things ass backwards with that > > upon > > > > which you focus (signage wise and all). > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Kevin Deegan > > > > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > > > Sent: March 24, 2006 07:54 > > > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march > > > > > > > > > > > > < BR>& gt; > > > The Canadian Guanatamo > > > > Better be careful with your social context on the INET Lance! > > > > Are you hating an identifiable group? > > > > And your comments on "FUNDIES" have hurt me, I understand it as > > > > an attack on me & multiple groups of my friends. ; ) > > > > Do you have the telE for the Tribunal? > > > > > > > > Justice in Canaduh > > > > > > > > > > http://www.pressaction.com/news/weblog/full_article/petersen02272005/ > > > > > > passed his second year of incarceration without charge > > > > Zündel was denied the right to cross-examine his accusers or to > > > > know all the evidence against him. > > > > Zündel stated that all his alleged crimes are Internet-related > > > > > > > > Canadian Human Rights Commission "The trut h in some absolute > > > > sense really plays no role. Rather, it is the social context in > > which > > > > the message is delivered and heard which will determine the > > effect > > > > that the communication will have on the listener. It is not the > > truth > > > > or falsity per se that will evoke the emotion but rather how it > > is > > > > understood by the recipient." > > > > > > > > Kevin Deegan wrote: > > > > Don't look now but Canada is changing - Group Think > > > > Gary North would be proud of you folks. > > > > He tried to bring in New Geneva and by the looks of it you > > > > folks have actually suceeded! > > > > > > > > Robert Martin, professor of constitutional law at the > > > > University of Western Ontario "Canada now is a totalitarian > > > ; > th eocracy. I see this as a country ruled today by what I would > > > > describe as a secular state religion [of political correctness]. > > > > Anything that is regarded as heresy or blasphemy is not > > tolerated." > > > > > > > > Be careful there have been Inquisitions against professors > > > > who attack American Foriegn policy. Hope you do not get turned > > in, > > > > for your thoughts! > > > > > > > > You Can't Say That" > > > > Canadian thought police on the march. > > > > By David E. Bernstein > > > > > > > > I've had the good fortune of spending this past month on the > > > > road promoting my new book about how anti-discrimination laws are > > > > > > eroding civil liberties. At the end of a recent talk about the > > book, > > > > an aud ience memb er asked whether I believe that freedom of > > _expression_ > > > > is really at risk in the United States from laws meant to aid > > women > > > > and minorities. The heart of my response is, "Look at what's > > > > happening in Canada. If we don't watch out, we're next." > > > > > > > > The decline of freedom of _expression_ in Canada began with > > > > seemingly minor and > > > > understandable speech restrictions. In 1990, the Canadian > > > > supreme court upheld the conviction of James Keegstra, a > > > > public-high-school teacher, for propagating Holocaust denial and > > > > anti-Semitic views to his public high-school students, despite > > > > repeated warnings from his superiors to stop. Keegstra was > > convicted > > > > of the crime of "willfully promoting hatred against an > > identif iable & gt; > > > group," which carries a penalty of up to two years in jail. > > > > Criminalizing hate speech, the court stated, was a "reasonable" > > > > restriction on _expression_, and it therefore passed constitutional > > > > > > muster. > > > > Two years later, the same court held that obscenity laws are > > > > unconstitutional to the extent they criminalize material based on > > > > > > sexual content alone. However, any "degrading or dehumanizing" > > > > depiction of sexual activity - including material that the First > > > > Amendment would protect in the United States - was deprived of > > > > constitutional protection to protect women from discrimination. > > > > Even the most zealous advocates of freedom of _expression_ > > > > often feel uncomfortable defending the right to engage in > > Holocaust < BR>> > > ; > denial or to propagate degrading pornography. But, not > > surprisingly, > > > > the inevitable result of allowing these initial speech > > restrictions > > > > has been the gradual but significant growth of censorship and > > > > suppression of civil liberties across Canada. > > > > In many cases, the speech that is suppressed conflicts with > > > > the Canadian government's official multiculturalist agenda, or is > > > > > > otherwise politically incorrect. For example, the Canadian > > supreme > > > > court recently turned down an appeal by a Christian minister > > > > convicted of inciting hatred against Muslims. An Ontario > > appellate > > > > court had found that the minister did not intentionally incite > > > > hatred, but was properly convicted for being willfully blind to > > the < BR>> > > > effects of his actions. This decision led Robert Martin, a > > professor > > > > of constitutional law at the University of Western Ontario, to > > > > comment that he increasingly thinks "Canada now is a totalitarian > > > > > > theocracy. I see this as a country ruled today by what I would > > > > describe as a secular state religion [of political correctness]. > > > > Anything that is regarded as heresy or blasphemy is not > > tolerated." > > > > Indeed, it has apparently become illegal in Canada to > > > > advocate traditional Christian opposition to homosexual sex. For > > > > example, the Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission ordered the > > > > Saskatoon Star Phoenix and Hugh Owens to each pay $1,500 to each > > of > > > > three gay activists as damages for publication of an > > advertisement, > > > &g t; placed by Owens, which conveyed the message that the Bible > > condemns > > > > homosexual acts. > > > > In another incident, after Toronto print-shop owner Scott > > > > Brockie refused on religious grounds to print letterhead for a > > > > gay-activist group, the local human-rights commission ordered him > > to > > > > pay the group $5,000, print the requested material, and apologize > > to > > > > the group's leaders. Brockie, who always accepted print jobs from > > > > > > individual gay customers, and even did pro-bono work for a local > > AIDS > > > > group, is fighting the decision on religious-freedom grounds. > > > > Any gains the gay-rights movement has received from the > > > > crackdown on speech in Canada have been pyrrhic because as part > > of > > > > the Cana dian government's suppr ession of obscene material, > > Canadian > > > > customs frequently target books with homosexual content. Police > > raids > > > > searching for obscene materials have disproportionately targeted > > gay > > > > organizations and bookstores. > > > > > > > > Moreover, left-wing academics are beginning to learn > > > > firsthand what it's like to have their own censorship vehicles > > used > > > > against them. For example, University of British Columbia Prof. > > > > Sunera Thobani, a native of Tanzania, faced a hate-crimes > > > > investigation after she launched into a vicious diatribe against > > > > American foreign policy. Thobani, a Marxist feminist and > > > > multiculturalism activist, had remarked that Americans are > > > > "bloodthirsty, vengeful and calling for blood." T he Canadian > > ; > > hate-crimes law was created to protect minority groups from hate > > > > speech. But in this case, it was invoked to protect Americans. > > > > > > > > A great deal more censorship in Canada seems inevitable. For > > > > example, British Columbia's extremely broad hate-speech law > > prohibits > > > > the publication of any statement that "indicates" discrimination > > or > > > > that is "likely" to expose a person or group or class of persons > > to > > > > hatred or contempt. The Canadian thought police are on the march. > > > > > > Hopefully, it is not too late to stop them. > > > > - David E. Bernstein is a professor of law at George Mason > > > > University and the author of You Can't Say That! The Growing > > Threat > > > > to Civil Liberties from Anti-Discrimination Laws > > > & gt; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1930865538/103-2028551-5008648?v=glance&n=28315 > > > > > 5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls > > > > using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. 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