On Tue, 2002-07-23 at 13:10, Doug Lochart wrote: > Jason, Forgive me for overly picking your brain but I have a few more > questions. I will try and be brief. > > I just looked at the Jelly on jakarta and I really like what I read. > However, using it (invoking it) still seems to be a mystery to me. It might > help if I see how Maven is using it. Could you direct me to locations in > the Maven source that might shine this light on Jelly and its use within?
src/bin/maven.[bat|sh] is where org.apache.maven.app.Maven is started. We boot up Jelly inside org.apache.maven.app.Maven. We set up the jelly contexts and process all our files from there. > Is Maven still using Ant? No. But you can still use Ant semantics. We are using Jelly for everything, but a plugin.jelly script can contain what would look like an ant build file. > Is Jelly being called from an Ant Task? No, we are using Jelly directly. > The main > reason I am asking is that to get b4 to work with our setup I had to modify > the <compile> core/build.xml target (basically turn it off). We use maven > for everything except compiling, suffice it to say that I cannot change the > way things are so we cannot use the build aspect of Maven unless it is more > open ended. I don't expect Maven to bend to every projects whim so I plan > to bend to it as far as I can but for now I still need to turn off > compilation (or override it, maybe in the form of an alternate plugin or > something). In b5 you don't have to use the the java plugin that comes with maven. You can make your own plugin to compile the way you like if that suits you. What do you need to configure? > Any help or pointers to more documentation would be appreciative. I can answer your specific questions but there isn't much doco for the new stuff. > > After writing this I think if I have any more questions concerning the > internals I will post them on the dev list. You can post them here, I'll answer them. > thanks > > Doug > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason van Zyl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Turbine Maven Users List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 12:04 PM > Subject: Re: front page generation (logo an breadcrumbs etc) > > > > On Tue, 2002-07-23 at 11:57, Doug Lochart wrote: > > > Thanks Jason. I should have mentioned (my mistake) that I was using > version > > > b4. I just tried building the latest CVS snapshot thinking that <logo> > was > > > not working in b4. I am now totally confused. Everything in b5 seems > > > different. > > > > It is a lot different. Almost a completely different animal than b4. > > > > > I noticed several build errors within plugins and I do not see > > > the core/build.xml, docs/build.xml files anymore. > > > > The core plugin is gone and has been split into java/test/clean. Ant > > build files are no longer use as we are using Jelly scripts now. > > > > > I have been looking over > > > the mailing list and I see that the docs online have not been updated > yet. > > > > No. This is generally a problem where there are docs for the released > > version, b4, and docs that are current with CVS HEAD. I haven't update > > the docs yet for b5 but I am planning on making it possible to have > > several versions of documentation for a given project. > > > > > I just downloaded turbine-2 to look at the build script and that one > still > > > has the same type of delegators as b4 (all referencing core/build.xml). > Is > > > there a project that is using b5? > > > > There are project-b5.xml descriptors that work with b5 for the turbine > > projects. There are no more delegator in b5 as well. > > > > > Did my build of b5 fail to distribute the > > > build.xml files under plugins? > > > > > > I wish I could get my head around Maven. I would like to try and > > > participate in development but I feel at the bottom of an extremely long > > > learning curve(not knowing Turbine, Velocity etc). > > > > We are trying to make Maven easy to use. Software that is simple to use > > often has some trickery going on under the covers which isn't 100% > > obvious. The docs will catch up but we are furiously improving and > > altering bits and pieces everywhere so I know that it is frustrating for > > people to get involved but that's the way it is right now. > > > > For people who want to improve Maven, the primary way of doing this is > > by writing plugins. In almost all cases improvements will be made in the > > form of plugins. There are many examples now as everything is a plugin. > > Maven is really a small core now with a satellite of plugins. For people > > who want to delve deeper there is a lot to learn because Maven provides > > a _lot_ for almost no initial work. > > > > > Do you have a suggestion > > > as to where I can start? I feel that even if I don't participate much, > > > knowing the ins and outs of the codebase would let me solve more of my > > > issues on my own. > > > > I hope that you won't have to know the Maven code base in order to solve > > your problems. I really hope that won't be the case when we release. You > > should be able to do everything with a plugin. But if you want to know > > how Maven works now Jelly is a must. We're using it in all facets of > > Maven. When we need to augment Maven the modus operandi now is to make a > > Jelly tag or to use a Java Bean and dynamically make it a Jelly tag > > using the jelly:define tag lib. Jelly Jelly Jelly. > > > > DVSL is also something to know as it is an easy way to produce reports > > and we use it a lot. > > > > The core of Maven is rapidly shrinking so hopefully when the release > > rolls the codebase will be more comprehensible. > > > > > thanks again sir for your expedient help! It is much appreciated. > > > > No problem. > > > > > Doug > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jason van Zyl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "Turbine Maven Users List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 11:41 AM > > > Subject: RE: front page generation (logo an breadcrumbs etc) > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2002-07-23 at 10:29, Alef Arendsen wrote: > > > > > > I cannot seem to get Maven to replace the logo <img> with the > > > > > > gif file I specify in the project.xml. I set both the > > > > > > project logo and the organization logo to be > > > > > > <logo>/images/new.gif</logo> and I still get the jakarta > > > > > > image. Any suggestions on what I might be doing wrong? > > > > > I'm having the same problem. In site.dvsl it seems the property > > > pom.organization.logo isn't recognized or something > > > > > > > > I just fixed this in CVS. I'm now using the $mavenProject reference in > > > > the DVSL report instead of the $pom reference which is a DVSL node. > Try > > > > it now, should work for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also cannot figure out how (as on the Maven home page) to > > > > > > get the <div="breadcrumbs" .. area in the index.html to be > > > > > > created. I call it The breadcrumbs area because when I view > > > > > > source on the Maven homepage I see the list of releated > > > > > > projects (Turbine, Turbine2 etc) in a div area named > > > > > > breadcrumbs. I look at the source for index.html that is > > > > > > generated for me by Maven and I see the same section but > > > > > > there are no comments except for a blank space. How do you > > > > > > populate this list? > > > > > As far as I know this isn't the breadcrumbs area. You can define > those > > > links in the navigation.xml in the xdocs directory in your module. > There's > > > two sections, links and the other one... > > > > > > > > > > alef > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > -- > > > > jvz. > > > > > > > > Jason van Zyl > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > http://tambora.zenplex.org > > > > > > > > In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational > > > > and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it. > > > > > > > > -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > -- > > jvz. > > > > Jason van Zyl > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://tambora.zenplex.org > > > > In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational > > and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it. > > > > -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > For additional commands, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- jvz. 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