My problem with the 20minute screencasts in each thing, is that they
show how the app is geared to make something that I'd never use with an
application logic that I think is completely abhorrent in 20minutes or
less.

Then i download the framework, I play around, and I say "The db layout
from this ORM is fucking retarded", and "Why is this making 15 db
calls?" , or "this should all be per user tied to a uid, not some dumb
session variable"

And then I learn "Oh.  So this framework was made to do 20minute
screencasts, but do soemthing that would take me 15minutes without a
framework will take me 2 days within its constraints".

read: why i hated rails and django


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