Lukasz,

thanks for your deep reply! Should the efforts that I have just
started stall, I will definitely be able to put a lot of that info to
great use!

As I wrote on the Django Group (I think), I have decided to give
Django a shot until I have the definite "go" from my client. I have
spent 2 or 3 hours today and some more yesterday on model design which
was not Framework-specific. After that, I have the Model and Admin
front-end in demo'able shape (and about 85% usable, as-good-as-time-
permits final shape, probably) .  That, of course, makes me quite the
happy Django camper so far.

I especially want to thank you for your time estimate which is pretty
close to what "everyone else" said. I think my client will have to
live with a little more effort (read: budget) that he initially
thought, but he will also get more than what he thought he might get.

Luckily, he is not very picky about design. The seminar is a company-
internal series of events that are not quite high on a marketing-
scale, so it seems to me. His own web site also is more of the "quick
and dirty" type, which he knows and tolerates well. So, I hope I will
be able to cut down a bit on the html side.

> > and with neither I have been able to quickly have a authorized-access
> > based web site up.
>
> Why not?
> tg-admin quickstart --sqlalchemy
> and pick yes when it asks you if you want to use identity.

Hm, I remember having tried that and having run into some kind of
roadblock. I am sorry for not being able to provide details anymore
(it was about 10 days ago with a lot of 14-hour work days in between),
but I remember being stuck between a bunch of decorators that felt out
of control. Maybe that's why my first shot with a test implementation
went with Django. I had something up there much faster than I thought
and didn't feel as lost.
It seems my simple mind could adapt to Django's way more easily
somehow .


> In 6 weeks you should be right on track

Let's hope I can beat that estimate or I know of a client who's having
some problems ;-). I don't know if he is able to extend that timeline
in any way, but it sounded like probably not. I think he will be able
to live with a "no whistles" early version, though, and adding some
"presentable" html pages later.

> strict 4h a day should be about right.

After having had 1.5 of those days, it seems like your guess will hit
spot on ;).

> ps. html layout of the page will be most time consuming !

Oh, yeah. I keep having that "p.s. note" in the back of my head all
the time. I hope it won't bite me after having postponed it for too
long. Thanks for reminding me.

> So the question is? Why not to use tg for this project?

For me, the answer was "Django admin frontend". That has probably
saved me an estimated 20-25% of the estimated implementation time. I
think I could already show the client something that makes him
optimistic about the deadline after the 4-5 hours I spent on the
Django specifics. I am quite impressed by that.

But, as I wrote on the Django list, I definitely have my radar pointed
to TG and am eagerly awaiting the 2.0 release. I tend to like the TG
way of approaching things, but for this time I had to give in to the
time pressure.

Thanks again for all your input,

   Nico

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