Hi, I just could not log into the IRC... not sure where the problem actually was.
Getting to the subject of the image I posted. I am not sure how to upload it into the wiki. To which page should I be attaching it... If somebody can help me with this info I can post the image there.. Also if there is anything that you guys want me to do with the me, please let me know. Thanks. - Venkat On 7/17/06, Simon Laws <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
That of course should read July-17-06 On 7/17/06, Simon Laws <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Here is the discussion from today's IRC chat (sorry about the slightly > wonky format as I had to cut and paste from my client). The topics of > discussion were content updates to the Tuscany web site and the process by > which the web site is produced. In summary we are going to progress the > following this week. > > jboynes layout and nav, > slaws "what is SCA", > kgoodson "what is SDO" > kevin DAS > cr22rc help with the web site production toolkit and site > content as time allows > dwheeler image stuff > > Of course everyone is invited to help out here so don't be shy. > > Simon > > > > <kgoodson> shall we pick up where we were on improving the website with > a clickable picture before OSCon? > <kgoodson> what other topics? > -->| kevin (n= [EMAIL PROTECTED]) has joined > #tuscany > <slaws> i'm just back on line form leave and saw mail about the > website, e.g. the nice clickable picture, but i'm confused about what the > status is and who is doing what - can you give a quick update > <rfeng> The OSCON is coming, I guess we need to improve the web > site as we agreed last time, right? > -->| simonnash (n= [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) has joined #tuscany > <simonnash> hi > <slaws> hi simon - kelivin is just kicking off a discussion on > website progress > <jboynes> hi, sorry, I'm back as well > <kgoodson> hi simon, it's a little quiet, but we are just about to > take stock of where the website improvemnt is/is going -- there don't seem > tyo be any other topics at the moment -- jeremy has had to disappear > <jboynes> we have a clckable on the wiki, yes? > <kgoodson> i liked raymonds picture, with the clickable links, > there was aanother picture on the mailing list i think that I cant locate at > the moment which was a higher level modular diagram > <kgoodson> hes, clickable .... http://wiki.apache.org/ws-data/attachments/Tuscany(2f)SCADiagram/attachments/sca.htm > > < http://wiki.apache.org/ws-data/attachments/Tuscany%282f%29SCADiagram/attachments/sca.htm > > <rfeng> the other one is for tuscany architectural layers, I guess > <slaws> yes - high level - was attached as a zip to a mail > <rfeng> can somebody upload it to WIKI as well? > <kgoodson> yes, am i right in thinking that the one you, rfeng, > have done would be linked to from the higher level one? > <slaws> high level one was on a mail from Venkata Krishnan > <rfeng> the one I prototyped is for SCA composite PM > -->| jmarino (n= [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) has joined #tuscany > <slaws> can;t find it in the dev archive for some reason > <kgoodson> have found it, i will attach to wiki > <slaws> ok - great > <jboynes> I checked the toolkit from the incubator site into my > sandbox - has anyone had a chance to look at it? > <slaws> sorry jeremy - have been out - is this the toolkit for > building the website? > <kgoodson> wiki seems not to want to create a new page, waiting > ...... > <jboynes> slaws: yes, the toolkit I mentioned last time which has > been picked up by a couple of projects (including the incubator) > <rfeng> just point to the new URL you want to place the new page, > then you'll see the option to create the new page > <slaws> jboynes: ok - ta - haven't tried it yet but can give it a > whirl > <jboynes> ok > <jboynes> anyone else interested or does anyone have any > alternatives? > <kgoodson> yes i'm intersted but i don't really know what it buys > us > <jboynes> it's simpler than mvn > <slaws> so, coming back to my first question, who is doing what on > the website? > <jboynes> I set up the toolkit thing and was waiting for feedback > <cr22rc> just a command to run for mvn > <jboynes> ? > <cr22rc> xdocs are a pain ... does it get us away from that ? > <rfeng> I'm stuck in something else this week > <jboynes> you can use xml or html > <slaws> ok - and rfeng made the clickable diagram and we also have > a top level diagram contributed - anything else? > <dwheeler> I believe I was going to try and come up with a prettier > diagram(s) for the clickable diagram interface. > <cr22rc> I need to look at the other TK too see what it buys us > <dwheeler> based on the ones we have > <kgoodson> finally i have the architecture diag n the wiki ... > <kgoodson> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/Tuscany/ClickableImages?action=show > > <cr22rc> to do the site now it's mvn site ... and then mvn > site-deploy (which publishes it ) > <jboynes> I think the big difference is that there's less going on > than with mvn site > <jboynes> everything is in one place and not spread around > different modules > <cr22rc> most of the site is just under site > <cr22rc> the one thing we don't get with mvn I think is tabs on the > top... don't think you can do that. > <jboynes> with the toolkit you get raw html so can do anything > <jboynes> but you need to do everything .. > <kgoodson> just to summarize, we were looking for the tabs of > http://geronimo.apache.org/ with the image navigation style of > http://incubator.apache.org/servicemix/ > <jboynes> perhaps it would be worth extending the strawman to > include tabs etc (at least the high level nav) > <cr22rc> I *assume* for OSCON we are going with M1 ? > <slaws> i think that is a safe assumption in terms of getting > people to download and try it > <slaws> there will be C++ also > <kgoodson> (correction to my above summary, servicemix site's image > is not clickable, but that's the style we liked and we were going to make it > clickable) > <jboynes> speaking of oscon, who is going? > <jboynes> I will be there > <rfeng> me too > <simonnash> i will > <rfeng> I booked a BOF session, need to figure out what to present > :-) > <kgoodson> I'm planning on going, but I have back trouble at the > moment, and 24 hours of travelling is probably not the best thing for it -- > seeking medical opionion now > <kgoodson> i alos have a bof booked for SDO > <slaws> unfortunately i can't - I'm off to an event in the UK next > week > <kevin> i will be there > <kgoodson> geoff winn will be there too > <kgoodson> and graham charters > <slaws> so who is working on the wed site content updates? > <slaws> web > <kgoodson> i offered to make images clickable, which is about all i > have the bandwidth to do at the moment > <slaws> i could potentially do a little bit this week if you need > help. Probably a very little bit depending on how php things go. > <rfeng> kelvin, I can send you the raw image so that you can edit > it > <kgoodson> but then the main candidate from rfeng was already > clickable -- i guess i could have done something with venkata's but I think > mapping the image areas to links would be quite a big job > <jboynes> other than the images there's a lot of other content > <kgoodson> your's was the SCA PM diagram that was already clickable > IIRC, yes? > <rfeng> yes > <kgoodson> so what editing did you want done? > <jboynes> is anyone going to work on that? > <jboynes> is anyone going have time to work on that? > <rfeng> just in case you need to edit it > <kgoodson> the main issue we were addressing was that the apacheCon > feedback said that the main page was too wordy -- so I guess I imagined what > we would be doing as a first step was providing an alternative means of > navigation to the existing info, not ideal perhaps, but a step in the right > direction > <rfeng> agree > |<-- elegoff has left freenode () > <jboynes> the main feedback was that we were not giving people any > insight into what SCA was about > <jboynes> it's not just navigation and wordiness but information > presentation > <jboynes> stuff like tabs and images can help present that but we > need to have a clear message behind it > <cr22rc> do we need to make sure it's platform independent? On the > main SCA page do we want to show something that's only specific to just java > ? > <lresende> also, is there a way we can make our wiki a little more > easy to navigate? like adding a left outline like the main website ? > <kgoodson> for me its not only a time issue, its familiarity with > the detail of SCA --- SDO has to be my priority and I don't feel in a > position to put together authoratative text content about that, so I could > only chip in from the SDO angle > <lresende> we should also try to get more DAS content on the > website.... I'll start to see what topics we could add for DAS > <jboynes> how about I do some more on the strawman and come up with > some into content and navigation > <jboynes> then we can fill out the detail behind > <kevin> lresende, that would be great > <lresende> kevin, I'll send the ideas to the dev-list ... and we > could discuss incorporating it to the site > <kevin> is there a clear distinction between what goes on the main > website and what belongs in a wiki? > <kevin> sounds good > <kgoodson> jeremy, that sounds good, but it would be good to flesh > out that that would mean for anyone involved in terms of activity in the > next week > <jboynes> not sure what you mean > <jboynes> i was planning on adding stuff to the thing in the sandbo > <jboynes> I'd hope to get it done later today or tomorrow > <cr22rc> I'm looking for where this TK original source is... is it > just in svn? > <cr22rc> in incubator? > <jboynes> that's the one I used > <jboynes> there are other copies in geronimo, harmony, jdo, ... > <jboynes> what are you looking for? > <cr22rc> then this a supported project ? > <jboynes> no > <cr22rc> hmm > <jboynes> it's based on anakia which is but it's just a usage of it > <jboynes> there's nothing to support actually - it's a bunch of > templates that are site specific > <cr22rc> can it publish the site once it's built .. to apache like > mvn tools can? > |<-- simonnash has left freenode (Read error: 104 (Connection reset > by peer)) > <jboynes> yes > <jboynes> it poops out site-publish which you check back into svn > <jboynes> then to make that live you svn up on the > people.apache.org server > <jboynes> (the same thing that you do if you are updating the > incubator site) > <jboynes> infrastructure require that the published site is in svn > <kgoodson> jboynes, ok, I guess I was just kind of looking for some > kind of statement from anybody who intended to pitch in as to what they > might do -- wondering if that might avoind duplicating effort, or show up > where the holes are > <kevin> i can help with the DAS sections > <jboynes> if folk want to pitch in, we need content, html help, > image work, some images, ... > <jboynes> thanks > <--| jliu has left #tuscany > <cr22rc> try to pitch in ... need to get acquainted with this new > tool > <kgoodson> i have a fair bit of material on getting started with > SDO in the WIKI that could potentially be moved across > <jboynes> thanks > <slaws> ok - i'll take a look at the tool and add if i can > <slaws> am interested in the "what is SCA" part > <kgoodson> slaws, what sort of thing woul you be contributing > <kgoodson> i'm also working on some "What is ADO material" which > could be added, but I didn't have it in my sights for that to be very > polished by the end of the week > <kgoodson> ADO!! > <kgoodson> SDO > <kevin> Freudian? > <kgoodson> :-) > <cr22rc> That would interesting ADO tuscany binding > <jboynes> ok , AIUI, I'm going to tackle the layout and nav, slaws > is doing "what is SCA", kgoodson is doing "what is ADO?" ;-), kevin is > helping with DAS and cr22rc is going to help with the toolkit > <jboynes> did I miss anyone? > <slaws> and someone needs to get the diagrams in in some form - > does that come under nav? > <jboynes> I can get them in if someone can do all the image stuff > for them > <dwheeler> I can do the image stuff. > <jboynes> thans > <jboynes> thanks > <slaws> sounds like a plan > <jboynes> I'll drop a separate note to the list about this - we > need to make sure the C++ folk are involved as well > <kgoodson> dwheeler, thanks > <cr22rc> if I can get caught up in understanding this tool maybe I > can help with link/nav too > <jboynes> thanks >
