Hi, I was thinking about this problem the other way round
At the moment the binary distribution builds with the following structure (taking binding-echo and simple-bigbank as two examples) docs/ lib/ modules/ samples/ binding-echo src/ main/ extension sample code test/ java/ echo/ EchoBindingClient.java EchoReferenceTestCase.java EchoServiceTestCase.java simple-bigbank/ src/ main/ java/ bigbank/ client/ BigBankClient.java test/ java/ bigbank/ BigBankTestCase.java So there are a number of issues we have been discussing 1/ Should there be JUnit tests in the samples. 2/ Should the mvn poms distributed with the binary distribution run the sample client used by the Ant build instead of/as well as the JUnit test 3/ If you look at the binding-echo test (and the other extension example tests) you see I put the clients used by ant in the test directory. This is inconsistent with the rest of the samples but consistent with the desire to demonstrate here how to build an extension, rather than how to build a client. My 2c on these 1/ I don't mind there being JUnit tests in the samples. I would bow to consensus if it's generally thought that this complicates the first use experience but as a java developer I know what a junit test is and it's quite nice to have a test on which to base new tests that I may use with any changes I make 2/ I think people running ant and mvn expect different things. I.e. having mvn run the junit tests run is not unexpected to a maven user. We may choose to have the poms here run the ant client as well for completeness, e.g we could engage your wrappers to do this. 3/ This was the basis of my original question. The tests are not shipped in the sample jars (I still need to find out why) to the effect is that the client is missed from the sample jar and the three extension example tests don't run out of the box. Due to the clients location I constructed the ant scripts to build the test directory but had to filter out the unit tests because JUnit does not ship. I would rather solve these problems by moving the client code into main/ than removing the JUnit tests altogether. I took a look at the code. Some comments: - I like the idea of the wrappers but I would maybe use them as well as the junit tests rather than instead of. - The effect of removing the JUnit tests from the samples is that the samples don't get tested anymore. Well not to the extent that the assertions that are currently included in the JUnit tests are exercised - The itests aren't shipped at the moment in the binary release AFAIK so the maven based samples wouldn't be available. We could fix this of course but would need discussion at this stage. Simon