On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Graham Charters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I now have the Calculator sample running using all the great work
> Rajini did to use Equinox, 1 bundle per third-party library, and
> absolute jar paths.  It results in 119 bundles, uses 19MB and takes
> about 50 seconds to run.  If folks are ok with this, I will create a
> Jira and submit it as a patch for inclusion in the samples main build.
>
> Regards, Graham.
>
> 2008/5/19 Graham Charters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Hi Rajini,
> >
> > 2008/5/18 Rajini Sivaram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> Graham,
> >>
> >> Is there any reason you didn't switch over to one-bundle-per-3rdparty
> jar?
> >>
> >
> > I couldn't get the itest/osgi-tuscany tests to pass and ran out of
> > time :-( .  I've tried with the latest and most are now passing, but I
> > still have 6 or 7 failures (varies).
> >
> >> I have replaced the manifest.jar file in itest/osgi-tuscany with an
> >> osgi-installer.jar which accepts both absolute and relative pathnames
> for
> >> jar files. The tests generate and use absolute pathnames, avoiding jar
> >> copying. If we add this to the distribution, we can continue to use
> relative
> >> pathnames to make the file portable.
> >>
> >
> > That's great, thanks!  I'll take a look and give it a go with the
> > Calculator sample.
> >
> >> Now itest/osgi-tuscany typically takes around 5.5 minutes to run on my
> T61,
> >> and uses 50MB disk space for around 190 bundles. itest/osgi-tuscany
> >> currently runs around 28 samples using OSGi bundle contributions for the
> >> samples, and reruns 16 of these using non-OSGi contributions (ie, URL
> >> classloaders for the contributions, OSGi classloaders for Tuscany). For
> the
> >> calculator sample, I imagine the lowest that you can bring the time down
> to
> >> may be around 30 seconds (down from 1 minute that you are currently able
> to
> >> get). Apart from removing the manifest as Simon suggested (which will
> >> improve both timing and disk usage), I am not sure it is worth putting
> too
> >> much time into performance of the sample at this stage. You should be
> able
> >> to use the osgi-installer from itest/osgi-tuscany as is, if you are
> happy to
> >> use one-bundle-per-3rdparty jar.
> >>
> >
> > I agree about the performance point.  I think 1 minute is a small
> sacrifice.
> >
> >> BTW, I had switched itest/osgi-tuscany to running under Equinox by
> default a
> >> few days ago since Felix performance was degrading too much as we added
> more
> >> and more bundles.
> >>
> >
> > I noticed you'd switched over.  I'll try the same.
> >
> >>
> >> On 5/16/08, Simon Nash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Graham Charters wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Below are a couple of runs, one taking 2 mins 50s and the second
> >>>> taking 1 min 8s.  Both were done after mvn cleans so the difference is
> >>>> maybe due to my machine being under spec and paging.
> >>>>
> >>>> [INFO]
> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> [INFO] Reactor Summary:
> >>>> [INFO]
> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> [INFO] Apache Tuscany OSGi - Tuscany 3rdParty Manifest Bundle for
> >>>> Calculator Sample  SUCCESS [1:06.859s]
> >>>> [INFO] Apache Tuscany OSGi - Tuscany Manifest Bundle for Calculator
> >>>> Sample  SUCCESS [31.297s]
> >>>> [INFO] Calculator Sample Running in an OSGi Framework ........ SUCCESS
> >>>> [1:07.594s]
> >>>> [INFO] Calculator Sample Running in an OSGi Framework ........ SUCCESS
> >>>> [4.687s]
> >>>> [INFO]
> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> [INFO]
> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> [INFO] Reactor Summary:
> >>>> [INFO]
> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> [INFO] Apache Tuscany OSGi - Tuscany 3rdParty Manifest Bundle for
> >>>> Calculator Sample  SUCCESS [35.406s]
> >>>> [INFO] Apache Tuscany OSGi - Tuscany Manifest Bundle for Calculator
> >>>> Sample  SUCCESS [7.281s]
> >>>> [INFO] Calculator Sample Running in an OSGi Framework ........ SUCCESS
> >>>> [24.172s]
> >>>> [INFO] Calculator Sample Running in an OSGi Framework ........ SUCCESS
> >>>> [0.969s]
> >>>> [INFO]
> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> From the above, it seems that the major time cost is the building of
> >>> the manifest bundles.  Graham's earlier note said that the third-party
> >>> manifest bundle consumes 17.5MB of disk space.
> >>>
> >>> Could the time and space overheads be reduced by building virtual
> >>> bundles (or a single virtual bundle) for the third-party libraries?
> >>> As I understand it, this would save 17.5MB of disk space (as the
> >>> third party libraries are already in my maven repo), and it would
> >>> presumably take less time as nothing would need to be written to disk.
> >>>
> >>>  Simon
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> 2008/5/16 Simon Laws <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 1:05 PM, Simon Laws <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Graham Charters <
> >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regarding Mike's build breaking comment, one of the reasons for
> >>>>>>> including this in the main build is to have it break to flag when
> new
> >>>>>>> dependencies are being introduced.  This will help us focus on
> >>>>>>> improving Tuscany modularity, but also help us preserve the support
> >>>>>>> for running in OSGi.  It will also give us a place to focus on
> keeping
> >>>>>>> the core small.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I now have what I think is the smallest subset of modules, based on
> >>>>>>> current dependencies.  My previous attempt took the approach of
> >>>>>>> cutting down a distribution, but the latest was created by adding
> to
> >>>>>>> the dependencies of the basic Calculator.  The net result is 47
> >>>>>>> bundles, 49MB (33MB felix cache and 16MB third-party jars) and
> takes
> >>>>>>> about 2.5 mins to build and run which does not seem like a big
> delta
> >>>>>>> over and above the time taken to do a full Tuscany build and run
> all
> >>>>>>> the samples.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The sca modules which are installed are:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> tuscany-assembly-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-assembly-xml-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-assembly-xsd-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-binding-sca-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-contribution-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-contribution-impl-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-contribution-java-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-contribution-namespace-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-contribution-osgi-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-contribution-resource-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-contribution-xml-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-core-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-core-spi-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-databinding-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-databinding-json-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-definitions-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-definitions-xml-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-domain-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-domain-api-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-domain-impl-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-extensibility-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-host-embedded-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-host-http-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-implementation-java-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-implementation-java-runtime-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-implementation-java-xml-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-interface-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-interface-java-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-interface-java-jaxws-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-interface-java-xml-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-interface-wsdl-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-interface-wsdl-java2wsdl-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-interface-wsdl-xml-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-monitor-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-node-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-node-api-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-node-impl-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-osgi-runtime-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-policy-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-policy-security-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-policy-security-ws-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-policy-xml-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-policy-xml-ws-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> tuscany-sca-api-2.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The third-party jars (currently installed in a single bundle) are:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> activation-1.1.jar
> >>>>>>> addressing-1.3.mar
> >>>>>>> annogen-0.1.0.jar
> >>>>>>> avalon-framework-4.1.3.jar
> >>>>>>> axiom-api-1.2.5.jar
> >>>>>>> axiom-dom-1.2.5.jar
> >>>>>>> axiom-impl-1.2.5.jar
> >>>>>>> axis2-adb-1.3.jar
> >>>>>>> axis2-adb-codegen-1.3.jar
> >>>>>>> axis2-codegen-1.3.jar
> >>>>>>> axis2-java2wsdl-1.3.jar
> >>>>>>> axis2-kernel-1.3.jar
> >>>>>>> axis2-mtompolicy-1.3.jar
> >>>>>>> backport-util-concurrent-2.2.jar
> >>>>>>> bcprov-jdk15-132.jar
> >>>>>>> cglib-nodep-2.1_3.jar
> >>>>>>> commons-codec-1.3.jar
> >>>>>>> commons-collections-3.1.jar
> >>>>>>> commons-discovery-0.2.jar
> >>>>>>> commons-fileupload-1.1.1.jar
> >>>>>>> commons-httpclient-3.0.1.jar
> >>>>>>> commons-io-1.2.jar
> >>>>>>> commons-logging-1.1.jar
> >>>>>>> geronimo-activation_1.1_spec-1.0-M1.jar
> >>>>>>> geronimo-commonj_1.1_spec-1.0.jar
> >>>>>>> geronimo-javamail_1.4_spec-1.0-M1.jar
> >>>>>>> geronimo-jms_1.1_spec-1.1.jar
> >>>>>>> httpcore-4.0-alpha5.jar
> >>>>>>> httpcore-nio-4.0-alpha5.jar
> >>>>>>> httpcore-niossl-4.0-alpha5.jar
> >>>>>>> jaxb-api-2.1.jar
> >>>>>>> jaxb-impl-2.1.6.jar
> >>>>>>> jaxb2-reflection-2.1.4.jar
> >>>>>>> jaxen-1.1-beta-9.jar
> >>>>>>> jaxws-api-2.1.jar
> >>>>>>> jettison-1.0.jar
> >>>>>>> json-rpc-1.0.jar
> >>>>>>> jsr181-api-1.0-MR1.jar
> >>>>>>> jsr250-api-1.0.jar
> >>>>>>> junit-4.2.jar
> >>>>>>> log4j-1.2.12.jar
> >>>>>>> logkit-1.0.1.jar
> >>>>>>> mail-1.4.jar
> >>>>>>> neethi-2.0.2.jar
> >>>>>>> opensaml-1.1.jar
> >>>>>>> org.apache.felix.bundlerepository-1.1.0-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> org.apache.felix.framework-1.1.0-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> org.apache.felix.main-1.1.0-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> org.apache.felix.shell-1.1.0-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> org.apache.felix.shell.tui-1.1.0-SNAPSHOT.jar
> >>>>>>> org.osgi.core-1.0.0.jar
> >>>>>>> rampart-core-1.3.jar
> >>>>>>> rampart-policy-1.3.jar
> >>>>>>> rampart-trust-1.3.jar
> >>>>>>> saaj-api-1.3.jar
> >>>>>>> servlet-api-2.4.jar
> >>>>>>> stax-api-1.0-2.jar
> >>>>>>> stax-api-1.0.1.jar
> >>>>>>> woden-1.0-incubating-M7b.jar
> >>>>>>> wsdl4j-1.6.2.jar
> >>>>>>> wss4j-1.5.3.jar
> >>>>>>> wstx-asl-3.2.1.jar
> >>>>>>> xalan-2.7.0.jar
> >>>>>>> xercesImpl-2.8.1.jar
> >>>>>>> xml-apis-1.3.03.jar
> >>>>>>> XmlSchema-1.3.2.jar
> >>>>>>> xmlsec-1.4.0.jar
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Let me know what you think?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Graham.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2008/5/15 Mike Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Graham Charters wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I've been working on a small sample to act as an OSGi "sniff
> test"
> >>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>> Tuscany running in OSGi.  It's basically a cut-down version of
> what
> >>>>>>>>> Rajini has done in itest/osgi-tuscany and only runs the most
> basic
> >>>>>>>>> Calculator sample.  I still have some work to do to exclude all
> the
> >>>>>>>>> things which aren't required and also perhaps move it to use the
> >>>>>>>>> latest "1 manifest per 3rd party jar" approach.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Currently the sample takes ~3 mins to build and run and uses
> 56MB.
> >>>>>>>>> The main space usage is 17.5MB for the third-party dependencies
> and
> >>>>>>>>> 35MB for the Felix bundle cache (61 bundles in total).  The full
> >>>>>>>>> Tuscany (itest/osgi-tuscany) using the same third-party library
> >>>>>>>>> approach is 151 bundles and 133MB total.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'd like to understand whether people feel this would be useful
> and
> >>>>>>>>> whether it is approaching the kind of overhead that would be
> >>>>>>>>> acceptable for it to be included in the main build?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Regards, Graham.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> +1 from me...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The time and space bother me a lot less than whether it would
> cause
> >>>>>>>> any
> >>>>>>>> extra failures.  What plagues me are build & test failures.  They
> can
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> take
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> hours to sort out.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Yours,  Mike.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi Graham
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Any idea what the breakdown of that 2.5 mins is?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Simon
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> For me on my T60 this morning.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Full build
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [INFO]
> >>>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> [INFO] BUILD SUCCESSFUL
> >>>>> [INFO]
> >>>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> [INFO] Total time: 40 minutes 9 seconds
> >>>>> [INFO] Finished at: Fri May 16 12:17:45 BST 2008
> >>>>> [INFO] Final Memory: 98M/170M
> >>>>> [INFO]
> >>>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> osgi-tuscany
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [INFO] BUILD SUCCESSFUL
> >>>>> [INFO]
> >>>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> [INFO] Total time: 8 minutes 4 seconds
> >>>>> [INFO] Finished at: Fri May 16 13:15:25 BST 2008
> >>>>> [INFO] Final Memory: 33M/99M
> >>>>> [INFO]
> >>>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Simon
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Thank you...
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Rajini
> >>
> >
>

+1 from me.

Simon

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