Kent and Danny, Thanks so much for the quick and warmhearted reply. /whew Just wanted to make sure. I know there are lists specifically aimed at advanced users and wanted to watch my p's and q's. Well as I work my way through I am certain I will have questions and I am glad I have found a place to help out. Oh and rant away it can be kinda fun at times =) Thanks again, Chelan _______________________________________________ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor