RE: 3 I didn't think anyone could create a dating show worse than the Fox smarmy dating game clones, but CBS has succeeded. I listened while using the computer. The concept is wacked. Best description: random dating for no reason. Compared with Love in the Wild (a Survivor/Bachelorette mish mash) there was no chemistry and the revolving door dating prevented any empathy from the viewer.
On 8/2/12, tvornottv@googlegroups.com <tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote: > ============================================================================= > Today's Topic Summary > ============================================================================= > > Group: tvornottv@googlegroups.com > Url: http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv/topics > > - NBC to CBS up its comedies... [1 Update] > http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv/t/d6cfcf82c2099a0d > - Middle-Way Criticisms of NBC's Olympic Coverage [6 Updates] > http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv/t/44e22b3a899dd83c > - Quickie Review: AMC's Hell on Wheels [2 Updates] > http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv/t/e70bf37ebfbd2765 > - '3' 86d [1 Update] > http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv/t/465144a9bb689ad7 > - NBC's Olympic blunders... [1 Update] > http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv/t/ecbc0ca51930fd5 > > > ============================================================================= > Topic: NBC to CBS up its comedies... > Url: http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv/t/d6cfcf82c2099a0d > ============================================================================= > > ---------- 1 of 1 ---------- > From: PGage <pga...@gmail.com> > Date: Aug 01 09:56PM -0700 > Url: http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv/msg/7b23ec39f8ab416d > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Wesley (in Texas) >> the bills, so NBC is now "in transition," as to wean its Community-loving >> audience to start to accept shows like The Big Bang Theory instead. > >> http://entertainment.time.com/2012/07/24/tcas-2012-nbcs-monkey-business/? > > Despite my best efforts (after a year I still find the Comcast remote to be > clunky and difficult to control) a few commercials for NBC comedies have > made it through my zap screen. If these glimpses are at all representative > (one about an animal doctor, one with Matthew Perry as some kind of > psychotherapist?, one that is apparently a cheap rip off of Modern Family?) > then I think NBC is on track to meet its goal (assuming its goal is to get > people like me to stop watching shows on their network). > > That Modern Family rip-off looks so bad that I am thinking of joining that > fundamentalist Christian group just so I can contribute to efforts to keep > it off our television sets. > > > > ============================================================================= > Topic: Middle-Way Criticisms of NBC's Olympic Coverage > Url: http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv/t/44e22b3a899dd83c > ============================================================================= > > ---------- 1 of 6 ---------- > From: Adam Bowie <adam.bo...@gmail.com> > Date: Aug 02 12:20AM +0100 > Url: http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv/msg/17e5f6238a01e3be > > I've kind of stayed out of these discussions since I get a rather good > package of Olympic events from the BBC. But I must say that the way the BBC > covers these and has covered other recent games in unhelpful timezones - > like Beijing - seems to work well. > > There's live coverage for those who want it at whatever time of day or > night the proceedings occur. Then the big evening programme is 3 hours from > 7pm to 10pm. That assumes you don't know the results from earlier in the > day. But there's no messing around, and we get a nicely produced package of > the key events Brits want to know about (i.e. the ones we've done well in, > or failed to do as expected). > > Now obviously because these games take place in our own timezone, there's > live coverage to drop in - of the swimming and so on. But it seems like a > good compromise. > > The news programme that's gone before will have announced all the winners - > indeed the Olympics has been the top headline every day so far. It's going > to take something really bad happening elsewhere in the world for them to > be dislodged. > > The reality is that most people aren't available to view outside of prime > time anyway. So there's no real reason to hold back swimming from live > coverage. You can still neatly package it up for prime time. Indeed as an > aside, the swimming is so efficiently organised that there's barely any > time to get post-race interviews in, and a bit of a set-up for the next > race before its on again. I don't think there'd be physically time for NBC > to squeeze commercials in without missing some action! And I'd argue that > if you know that the Phelps v Lochte race is awesome, you'd be more likely > to tune and see it. > > Sadly, I suspect that nothing's going to change while NBC is getting record > breaking ratings, and making more money than it expected. > > > > Adam > > > > > ---------- 2 of 6 ---------- > From: "Kevin M." <drunkbastar...@gmail.com> > Date: Aug 01 04:26PM -0700 > Url: http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv/msg/5729b4f34190cd3d > > >> Sadly, I suspect that nothing's going to change while NBC is getting >> record >> breaking ratings, and making more money than it expected. > > I think the media landscape four years from now will force dramatic > change, though it will seem less drastic in the US because the time > difference in Brazil isn't as severe. But on-demand and internet > viewing is on the rise, and any network that tries to retain the old > ways over the next few years will start to resemble a telegraph. The > Winter Olympics in Russia will be almost unbearable for true fans > looking to avoid spoilers and to watch live, real-time coverage -- > that should serve as the breaking point if the London games don't. > -- > Kevin M. (RPCV) > > > ---------- 3 of 6 ---------- > From: Joe Hass <hassgoc...@gmail.com> > Date: Aug 01 08:14PM -0500 > Url: http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv/msg/33bb08e44a967228 > >> throughout the day, and instead is embargoing them to (in NBC’s words) >> “drive viewers” to the primetime coverage, which is partly Type 3 and >> partly >> (mostly?) Type 4. I share this criticism, but only in a limited form. > > An excellent example of Type 4 occurred last night during the Womens > Gymnastics finals. Russia went next to last, and the US went last. The > Russians laid a major egg, making the US performance almost > perfunctory to win the gold. However, NBC did two things: edited out > the Russians performance and neglected to integrate their performance > into their broadcast, including identifying their performance when it > came to the scores. If you went solely off the broadcast, you would > assume that the Americans were battling for a gold medal. In fact, > they were all but assured the medal when the Russians faltered. But > that would remove the drama, so NBC just decided to ignore the fact. > > http://deadspin.com/5930817/the-us-already-had-gold-locked-up-after-this-floor-disaster-from-russias-world-champion-so-nbc-didnt-show-it-to-you > > I'm unable to get the video to load off nbcolympics.com to see if that > broadcast is the full feed or the edited one. > > > ---------- 4 of 6 ---------- > From: PGage <pga...@gmail.com> > Date: Aug 01 06:42PM -0700 > Url: http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv/msg/51dabb1efdaf9a82 > >> they were all but assured the medal when the Russians faltered. But >> that would remove the drama, so NBC just decided to ignore the fact. > >> http://deadspin.com/5930817/the-us-already-had-gold-locked-up-after-this-floor-disaster-from-russias-world-champion-so-nbc-didnt-show-it-to-you > > The Deadspin piece is a little unclear, but basically correct. I was > actually watching the Gymnastics coverage with my calculator, and figuring > out what the Russians would need to average to pass the Americans. By the > start of the last rotation (floor exercise) it was still possible for the > US to lose, but the Russians would have had to do better than they had in > the qualifications, and the US would have had to do much worse (and the US > had already done worse than the Russians to begin with). > > NBC did show the first 2 Russian girls on the floor (I happen to have my > scratch paper right here by my keyboard still, they scored 14.8, which was > already lower than what they needed, and then 12.466, which was so low that > it was already almost a foregone conclusion that the US would win). I > crunched some numbers and figured out what the third girl would have to do > get to make it even possible the US could lose, and then suddenly, without > any warning, NBC skipped the 3rd Russian performer, and started up with the > US girls, pimping the drama for all it was worth, even though, since they > did show the scoreboard briefly, I was able to do some basic math and > realize that the US would win even if each girl fell twice during each > routine. > > This was the most flagrant example of NBC editing the actual competition to > create a false sense of drama that I have seen this Olympics. It would be > as if, when showing the Super Bowl, NBC decided not to show the team ahead > had scored a field goal to go ahead by 10 points, just to create a false > sense of drama that the team behind had a chance to win on a last second > touchdown. > > Furthermore, NBC has been using video of the US girls floor performance in > the aftermath to show how the girls performed under intense pressure to win > the Gold. The US Girls had a remarkable performance last night, and deserve > their share of glory - but that should have been illustrated by their > wonderful performance on the first rotation (vault) and their grittty > performances on their two weaker events, where there was real drama, on the > uneven bars and balance beam. My impression was that the real motivation > for NBC for the misleading editing was to further the storyline that they > were committed to, which was the redemption of Jordyn Wieber. Wieber did > not perform on the beam. If NBC had told the story honestly, it would have > been that the US beam performance had pretty much put them in position to > get the Gold - all they had to do was not stink on the floor. But that > would have meant that Wieber was not part of the crucial rotation that won > them the Gold, so they re-packaged the story to make her seem like the hero > that won the team the Gold, even though her own dreams for an individual > medal had been stolen (stolen by whom? NBC never came out and said which of > the other two US gymnasts they would rather have seen crying while Wieber > moved on to the overalls, but I assume it was the other not-black girl, > since I saw some promotional lead up piece from NBC a few weeks/months ago > that was already setting up a story line of Wieber vs "Gabby" (the black > girl) for the all around title. And even then I had the impression that the > NBC graphics department had already put their finishing touches on an image > of Wieber on a Wheaties box. > > > ---------- 5 of 6 ---------- > From: "Brad Beam" <b.b...@suddenlink.net> > Date: Aug 02 02:56AM +0100 > Url: http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv/msg/a861fa83eb358a0e > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: PGage > >>that they are providing live or almost live television coverage of lots of >> >>individual and team events, including some that are in high demand in the >>US, and live online coverage of all events. > > We always praise Canada for their Olympic coverage. > > Indeed, glancing at the schedule on CTVOlympics.ca, it looks like the > fully-commercial CTV blows up the schedule to cover the Olympics -- save for > > several newsbreaks -- while related cable nets (TSN, OLN, etc.) only pick up > > certain time slots. > > But I'm curious to know what CTV primetime looks like. Is it just highlights > > of the day culled from across the Bell-Rogers family of networks, or does > BriWi.ca sprinkle in those tales of woe? > > > And while I'm thinking about it: > If ESPN ever picked up the Olympics, they could do something similar for a > time zone-distant site. Have 1, 2, U, Classic, News, and 3.com go all-in for > > live (and delayed) coverage until about 5ET, and then have the folks in > Bristol edit together a 3-4 hour package for ABC primetime. > > Perhaps to lessen the time gap for the western of the country in advance of > > primetime, ESPN could re-run the early hours of the day's coverage. > > Just a thought.... > > _ _ > |_>|_> Brad Beam- Belle WV > |_>|_> http://www.facebook.com/74bmw > > > ---------- 6 of 6 ---------- > From: Doug Eastick <east...@mcd.on.ca> > Date: Aug 01 10:21PM -0400 > Url: http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv/msg/5757834b3bacf388 > > On 2012-08-01 9:56 PM, Brad Beam wrote: > >> fully-commercial CTV blows up the schedule to cover the Olympics -- >> save for several newsbreaks -- while related cable nets (TSN, OLN, >> etc.) only pick up certain time slots. > > This has been typical for any Oly whether CTV or CBC gets rights. The > main OTA goes full-blown LIVE, with evening-Prime highlights show. > Other channels offer live of other sports. > >> But I'm curious to know what CTV primetime looks like. Is it just >> highlights of the day culled from across the Bell-Rogers family of >> networks, or does BriWi.ca sprinkle in those tales of woe? > I am happy to report that I haven't watched any prime stuff this Oly. > My TiVo's record the live stuff, and we watch that at night, or I watch > recaps online (CTV or BBC). > > >> If ESPN ever picked up the Olympics, they could do something similar > for a time zone-distant site. Have 1, 2, U, Classic, News, and 3.com go > all-in for live (and delayed) coverage until about 5ET, and then have > the folks in Bristol edit together a 3-4 hour package for ABC primetime. > > That's what CBC or CTV usually do. In 2008 CBC re-purposed their > channel "Bold" (think mix of drama, comedy, arts and culture, and sports > programming), for an alternate channel of Oly sports live. > > On a related note, CBC won the rights to 2014 (sochi) and 2016 (Rio) > today. This was after the joint CBC+CTV bid was rejected by the IOC, > and CTV then pulled out. No releases have said that CBC won by > acclamation. > > > > ============================================================================= > Topic: Quickie Review: AMC's Hell on Wheels > Url: http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv/t/e70bf37ebfbd2765 > ============================================================================= > > ---------- 1 of 2 ---------- > From: "Kevin M." <drunkbastar...@gmail.com> > Date: Aug 01 05:19PM -0700 > Url: http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv/msg/b5b62aace9ab6c09 > > I am predisposed to like westerns, but I'm less inclined to like pilot > episodes. This was a good pilot episode. It had to accomplish a lot, > and it did a good job with most of it. Some of the storylines seem > predictable, but I'm hoping to be surprised from time to time. > > Pilot free on iTunes: > > http://itunes.apple.com/us/tv-season/pilot/id470634710?i=476764417 > > -- > Kevin M. (RPCV) > > > ---------- 2 of 2 ---------- > From: PGage <pga...@gmail.com> > Date: Aug 01 06:18PM -0700 > Url: http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv/msg/6527f3139c773a07 > >> predictable, but I'm hoping to be surprised from time to time. > >> Pilot free on iTunes: > >> http://itunes.apple.com/us/tv-season/pilot/id470634710?i=476764417 > > I liked the pilot too, but season 1 was not nearly as good as it promised > to be. It never shook the feeling of being a low-rent Deadwood. Hopefully > season 2 will be better. > > > > ============================================================================= > Topic: '3' 86d > Url: http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv/t/465144a9bb689ad7 > ============================================================================= > > ---------- 1 of 1 ---------- > From: Tom Wolper <twol...@gmail.com> > Date: Aug 01 06:44PM -0400 > Url: http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv/msg/9c76526b033c55a1 > >> lowest premiere ratings in Eye history last Thursday night and is gone >> after >> two eps (with the remaining eps probably headed for cable, if any): > >> http://rbr.com/cbs-shutters-reality-dating-show-3/ > > This is the first I have heard of this show. That might have something > to do with why they tanked. > > > > ============================================================================= > Topic: NBC's Olympic blunders... > Url: http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv/t/ecbc0ca51930fd5 > ============================================================================= > > ---------- 1 of 1 ---------- > From: JW <redbu...@gmail.com> > Date: Aug 01 03:50AM -0400 > Url: http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv/msg/4688e417b0da5c1a > >> I am a big fan of Will Leitch (who wrote the item, even though it's on >> JoePo's website). In this case, he's spectacularly full of shit. > > The website is a USA Today production that will be Sports on Earth, > where Posnanski is the big name, but other writers like Leitch and > Mike Tanier will be on staff as well. > >> Everyone seems to be putting the onus on Twitter here, when it's >> really the entire Web. > > Twitter makes it easy to complain, and the complaints multiply on > themselves. Grumbling on a list like this is unlikely to have an > effect unless someone in a position to address a complaint happens to > see it. > > As it happened, Tuesday night exemplified the problem perfectly. I was > watching the Pirates-Cubs game, where A.J. Burnett had a no-hitter > going. During breaks, I'd flip over to NBC, which usually had > gymnastics when it didn't have its own commercials. I knew that > [SPOILER ALERT] the USA had won the gold, and then I'd switch back to > the ballgame, where I didn't know what was going to happen. I much > preferred the live broadcast. > >> The catch is that NBC wants to play both sides of the fence here. >> Their official site, nbcolympics.com, is a full spoiler. There is to >> the best of my knowledge no way to avoid that. > > Seems easy to me. I've avoided it, not because I care about spoilers, > but because I don't care about that site. The major result of all this > is that I find I don't care much about the Olympics, either. > > > > > -- > TV or Not TV .... The Smartest (TV) People! > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "TV or Not TV" group. > To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en -- TV or Not TV .... The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TV or Not TV" group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
