I see the new NFL deal has been done: https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-announces-new-broadcast-deals-running-through-2033-season
Amazon gets Thursday nights exclusively outside local markets of the two teams. Everyone else broadly as-is, except that they can put their games on Peacock, Paramount+ and whatever Fox comes up with. I don't see any mention of Sunday Ticket though... On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 6:59 PM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote: > As you say, it will be interesting to see how the calculations come out. > > Amazon is the sponsor of The Red Zone, and streams I think both SNL and > TNF. I think they would find it useful to make The Ticket available at a > better price than DirectTV did, since they have so many other ways to > monetize it. > > > On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 at 9:20 AM Adam Bowie <a...@adambowie.co.uk> wrote: > >> I guess there's a balance to be made, but all the networks are probably >> thinking more of their streaming services in the mid- to long-term (and >> probably short-term for Disney), so incurring losses for kudos and/or >> audience will be interesting to see. >> >> I wouldn't bank on Amazon subsidising sport in any meaningful way. I >> think the world over, sports leagues are hopeful that the streamers will >> make up for any flattening of traditional broadcast revenues, but so far >> they've not really bitten. In the UK, Amazon got the tiniest slither of EPL >> rights - after again the first round of bidding didn't make the reserve. I >> know the EPL was hopeful of them (or Netflix) making a splashy entrance to >> keep prices high. But Amazon has notably bought cheaper rights around the >> world. The same with Facebook who have picked up a few sports rights in a >> few locations. >> >> I can totally see the NFL directly marketing their Sunday Ticket offer >> via Amazon, but whether Amazon would significantly subsidise that is >> another question. With Amazon having north of 126m Prime subscribers in the >> US already, do they really need to incur a big loss to reach the last >> standout households that aren't already Prime? The counter to that is that >> if you could only get it with a Prime stick, and not a Roku stick, then >> Amazon shifts a lot of Roku (and Samsung/Google TV/whoever) households to >> using their TV interface. Either way, there are said to be only 2m Sunday >> Ticket subscribers, so not massive numbers. But perhaps that's a factor of >> Sunday Ticket not being enough on its own to shift a household to a >> different TV provider. >> >> I bet there's some fascinating number crunching going on at the big >> networks... >> >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 4:58 PM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I used to subscribe to it back in my DirectTV days. The ability to >>> switch to any game is another way to avoid almost all commercials, plus >>> their Red Zone. >>> >>> It is a threat to network ratings though, if 10%-20% of viewers would >>> rather watch out of market games (which, depending on your market, your own >>> games may often suck). When I had the package, even if my local games were >>> of interest, I would flip back to games on the Ticket during commercials, >>> or if they became more compelling. >>> >>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 at 8:18 AM Jim Ellwanger <train...@ellwanger.tv> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Aside from two versions of the Red Zone channel (one "regular' and one >>>> focused on fantasy football), NFL Sunday Ticket just presents the regular >>>> Fox and CBS game broadcasts, complete with commercials -- and blacks out >>>> the games that are airing on the viewer's local affiliates. Presumably that >>>> would continue on an Amazon version of Sunday Ticket, using the viewer's IP >>>> address and other info to handle the blackouts. (DirecTV uses the ZIP code >>>> on the subscriber's account.) In theory, therefore, it's more of a >>>> supplement to the network broadcasts, rather than competition that would >>>> draw a lot of viewers away from them. >>>> >>>> On Feb 15, 2021, at 8:02 AM, PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> This will be interesting. Given how long these deals are, the hike can >>>> be seen as something like 10% a year for ten years, but that is still >>>> outrageous given that ratings have been trending down. Still, even at a >>>> loss the NFL is still probably worth it to the networks. The result will be >>>> even more ads, in between and during the action. The morons at the NFL will >>>> not rest until they have made their game completely unwatchable. >>>> >>>> Disney is getting hosed, and NBC has the best deal. If I were Disney I >>>> would be insisting on ways to get better games >>>> >>>> I will be most interested into what happens with the Sunday Ticket >>>> package. If they partner with Amazon and make the price to the consumer >>>> reasonable (which Amazon may be willing to subsidize to drive more users to >>>> Prime and its overall service, it could be another nail in the networks >>>> coffins. >>>> >>>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 at 4:31 AM Adam Bowie <a...@adambowie.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I thought this Variety piece on the upcoming network renegotiation of >>>>> NFL rights was interesting. >>>>> >>>>> https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/nfl-tv-rights-1234907305/ >>>>> >>>>> It seems that the NFL is seeking to double the rights fees paid last >>>>> time around. But those deals were done about ten years ago now. Obviously >>>>> the vast audiences these games still command - particular getting >>>>> hard-to-reach men, makes them valuable. >>>>> >>>>> On the other hand, the piece concedes: "The networks were already >>>>> having trouble turning a profit on NFL games; there’s no doubt that >>>>> anything close to a doubling of those fees would make that even harder if >>>>> not impossible." >>>>> >>>>> The outcome will be interesting. >>>>> >>>>> As a keen watcher of sports rights, I note that around the world, >>>>> sports leagues have found the current climate harder to monetise than >>>>> previously. In both Italy and France recently, the main football (soccer) >>>>> TV rights auctions did not make the reserves the leagues had set. In both >>>>> cases, they're now facing significant drop-offs in revenues. In the UK, >>>>> the >>>>> last round of EPL rights, which are sold every three years domestically, >>>>> were basically flat in revenue terms. 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