For all of the inequities in regard to the way players get paid, there is a collective bargaining agreement and the players agreed to it. I’m not putting it all on the NFLPA but they could go public with the issues before they go into negotiations. The pool of money seems large enough to end split contracts and overhaul the way health insurance is handled. When Hines Ward had a podcast a number of years ago he said when ex-players text each other or get together the main thing they talk about is health insurance. When players retire from the league they have to find insurance that will take them with all of their injuries and needs. If the player was vested he gets a lump sum to help (I remember it being $100,000 but it might have been more) and Ward said that amount doesn’t last long.
On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 12:39 AM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV < tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote: > It was news to me as well, and if I wasn't so irritated when I read it, I > might have thought to include the article with my initial post. I also > didn't think to include Rapaport's initial reporting (he's with the NFL > Network), which appears to be this Tweet > > https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1612053825484898306 > > (It's a bad idea to dive into Tweet responses, though a quick skim of them > suggests we aren't the only ones surprised by this aspect of Hamlin's > contract.) > > I don't claim any particular authority on contracts, NFL or otherwise. > Before reading that article I would have assumed that things were pretty > much as you described - no reduction in pay if injured in football > activities. > > Best, > David > > > On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 08:47:38 PM PST, Doug Fields <d...@flids.net> > wrote: > > > No, reading that article, I think I agree with your interpretation, but as > I said, that's news to me. I suspect you may be right, and that it's > related to the fact that he's still on his rookie deal, but I wasn't aware > of that, if true. I'm cautiously standing corrected, but I'll look into it > and I'll follow up if I find any solid proof either way. > > Doug Fields > Tampa, FL > ------------------------------ > *From:* 'brugdr' via TVorNotTV <tvornottv@googlegroups.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, January 8, 2023 7:30 PM > *To:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com <tvornottv@googlegroups.com> > *Subject:* Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: How ESPN Covered MNF Medical Emergency > > I made the statement based on my read of this NFL.com article. > > > https://www.nfl.com/news/bills-to-honor-damar-hamlin-medical-staff-patriots-game-pay-salary > > Yes, the Bills are paying his salary in full, but the following text from > the article suggests this is a special case. > > "Though Hamlin's four-year, $3.64 million rookie contract contains a > standard split to pay him at a lower rate if he lands on IR, Buffalo worked > out an agreement with the NFL and NFLPA to pay his full rate for Week 18's > games, Rapoport reported." > > Presumably if Rapaport had it wrong, the league would say so on its own > website. > > This may be specific to rookie contracts, I don't know. > > David > > > Sent on my Samsung Galaxy S20 FE 5G. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Tom Wolper <twol...@gmail.com> > Date: 1/8/23 15:57 (GMT-08:00) > To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: How ESPN Covered MNF Medical Emergency > > I’ve seen that Hamlin is on IR and the Bills said they will pay his whole > salary. > > On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 6:54 PM Doug Fields <d...@flids.net> wrote: > > Where did you hear that about salaries while on IR? That's not true, as I > understand it. The Collective Bargaining Agreement between the players' > union and the NFL guarantees a player is paid their full contract if the > player suffers a "football-related injury" (defined as any injury > associated with game play or practice/workouts at the team's facilities) > that puts them on the injured list. Players who can't play due to > non-football-related injuries can be denied their full pay at the team's > discretion. > > Hamlin's injury would definitely fall under the football-related > definition, and he should be paid his full salary if he's placed on the > Injured Reserve list (I'm not sure if his official roster status has been > changed yet at this point). > > Doug Fields > Tampa, FL > > ------------------------------ > *From:* 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <tvornottv@googlegroups.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, January 8, 2023 10:58 AM > *To:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com <tvornottv@googlegroups.com> > *Subject:* Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: How ESPN Covered MNF Medical Emergency > > A brief check of the NFL home page this morning echoes this approach. A > lot of organized celebration to make it look like the league isn't patting > itself on the back for avoiding worse optics. That the Bills are doing a > lot to recognize Hamlin makes sense to me. The league-wide celebrations > push this into contrivance for me. > > And today I learned that standard contracts (not sure if this is just for > the first/rookie contract or not) are set up so a player on injured reserve > doesn't get full salary. If I didn't already wish ill of the NFL, I would > now. > > David > > On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 07:06:55 AM PST, PGage <pga...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > I gave ESPN good marks for how they handled Damar Hamlin’s dramatic and > life threatening injury last Monday Night. I give them much lower marks for > how they handled Saturday’s games. With the very welcome news of positive > developments for Hamlin (who still has a long way to go), ESPN switched > from the restrained, minimalist journalistic stance they took Monday night > to the full throated, sentimental, religiously transformative propaganda > line that no doubt was set in the PR offices of the NFL. Joe Buck seemed to > go as far as to suggest that the injury was actually a net good thing, as > Hamlin’s recovery has been a unifying force for the nation, while Aikman > proclaimed that Hamlin’s recovery was due to the power of prayer. > > One of my concerns is that this incident almost certainly really was a > freak accident, less a function of the inherent violence in football than > unusual timing and location of the contact during that tackle, or perhaps > some unrecognized heart defect (this seems less likely to me). As a result > it will be easy to write off all the dangers associated with football as > part of the random dangers inherent in any activity. What is needed is a > renewed and sustained focus on the very real, very serious, very high > health risks associated specifically with tackle football. Of course > neither ESPN nor any of the League’s other broadcast partners (and here the > genius of the NFL partnering with almost every major outlet) has any > business interest in focusing on that. > > > https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/07/business/espn-nfl-damar-hamlin.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare > > > On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 at 8:34 AM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I am no cheerleader for the NFL, ESPN, or Joe Buck, but I give Buck, > Aikman and ESPN generally positive marks for how they handled an > unprecedented medical emergency during last night’s MNF telecast. > > As the severity of the incident became clear they were respectful and > restrained, and avoided speculation. When there wasn’t anything to say, > they noted that, and didn’t say anything. I thought it was smart to switch > to the studio and let those people fill time, rather than than have the > broadcasters on site do that. sideline reporter Lisa Salter really > distinguished herself, reporting what she could observe, filtering out what > must have been a flood of rumors and speculation, all while allowing her > humanity and emotion to appropriately come through. > > One problem with the restraint they showed is it created a vacuum into > which anti-vax poison got injected over social media. Qualified physicians > could tell what had likely happened, but I think ESPN was right not to put > one of those on, and instead restrict themselves to what was actually known. > > Hoping for the best for Damar Hamlin, and all the young people who had to > experience that. Until you actually witness medical professions engage in > life saving intervention, it is difficult to prepare yourself for what it > is like, and the sense that you might be watching someone you care about > die. I am often critical of cliched provision of mental health counselors > to the scene of emergencies, but this is a case where some of those folks > are going to need someone to talk to. > > “The eerie and heartbreaking scene that unfolded on the field in the > aftermath of Damar Hamlin’s collapse during Monday night’s Buffalo > Bills-Cincinnati Bengals game presented a virtually unprecedented scenario > for ESPN’s football broadcast. As the network toggled between the game > broadcast crew in Cincinnati and a subdued studio set in New York, a news > outlet that had prepared to cover one of the season’s biggest games > suddenly found itself covering a medical calamity. > > Viewers at home watched the developing story unfold slowly as commentators > Joe Buck and Troy Aikman and sideline reporter Lisa Salters received > information and relayed it in real time. Over the next three hours, the > broadcast was measured, informative and emotional. 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