Thanks, Ian (is it Ian?), that's helpful. I'll look into another main 
navigation setup, though it would be nice to keep the current setup as IMO 
it's well-balanced. Why do you (or anyone else) think that the dropdown 
menu items (in the Celtic 
<http://www.fredriley.org.uk/callhull/celtic.html>doc, 
for instance) are failing on mobiles? Click on a dropdown and try to hit a 
menu item, and the hit will just go through it. 

I could implement the site as more mobile-friendly by using jQuery mobile 
or another framework, but I'm reluctant to do that as I'm a great believer 
in write once many platforms development. 

I've not looked at the Bootstrap 
examples<http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/getting-started.html#examples>on a 
smartphone as yet, but will do to see how their navbars behave. Where 
is the 'built by bootstrap' showcase you mentioned? 

Cheers

Fred

On Friday, January 4, 2013 11:49:49 PM UTC, iange87 wrote:
>
> As far as I can see, Fred, the problem is that you haven't inserted the 
> top nav bar correctly. You've not included the html code for the button to 
> toggle the collapsed state so when you get to a certain width where the 
> items are hidden, you've no way to make them visible. I'd suggest another 
> look at the docs, specifically the responsive 
> navbar<http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/components.html#navbar>
> .
>
> As for your other issues, I'm not sure what to suggest but I'm sure 
> someone else will be along to help shortly! :-) I would suggest that your 
> problems are possibly down to the number of items in your menu. As you 
> shrink the screen, the items get more closely packed and harder to select. 
> Maybe you could try adding padding through media queries, or maybe explore 
> another method of navigation (probably not the answer you were after).
>
> As for examples, have you had a look through those listed on the main 
> site, or in the galleries such as built with bootstrap? There's hundreds, 
> and you can easily view the source code to work out what's going on.
>
> Best of luck!
>
> On Friday, January 4, 2013 11:03:52 PM UTC, Fred Riley wrote:
>>
>> Thanks to help from this group, and the excellent Bootstrap docs, I've 
>> put together a static site <http://www.fredriley.org.uk/callhull/> which 
>> looks half-decent on a desktop or laptop. However, it looks dire on mobile 
>> devices and features get lost. Even if you just narrow the browser window 
>> on a desktop the top navbar items go walkies. Another problem is that 
>> drop-down menus on a mobile (for instance in this 
>> doc<http://www.fredriley.org.uk/callhull/celtic.html>) 
>> will drop down, but clicking on a dropdown item hits the menu beneath it. 
>> There are other problems with the site on mobiles, but basically it's not 
>> usable, and of course with mobiles being so popular this is a problem. 
>>
>> I have included the Bootstrap responsive CSS file in my pages and used a 
>> collapsing top navbar, but plainly I need to do more to make the thing 
>> usable on mobiles so I'd be grateful for tips and pointers. I have read the 
>> fine 
>> manual on responsive 
>> design<http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/scaffolding.html#responsive>though
>>  that doesn't have much to say. I've used a famous search engine to 
>> look for "bootstrap responsive 
>> menus<https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=bootstrap+responsive+menus&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a>"
>>  
>> but without any conclusive results. There's an intriguing stackoverflow 
>> question<http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9150423/how-do-i-get-the-navigation-to-collapse-into-the-small-icon-for-mobile-devices>which
>>  might be useful but isn't a whole answer. 
>>
>> It's getting late in the night, my eyes are hurting, the neurons are 
>> turning off and the beer is calling, so I can't do any more searching now. 
>> Is there a guide somewhere to creating responsive menus in Bootstrap so 
>> that a page degrades gracefully on mobiles? I'm happy to RTFM if I can find 
>> TFM. And/or, are there any good exemplar sites I can emulate? 
>>
>> I am familiar with responsive design practice and media queries, though 
>> am far from an expert. 
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Fred
>>
>

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