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ETAPS has rescinded this policy as of today. The statement on the website is as follows now: The ETAPS association strongly condemns the war against Ukraine launched by President Putin. It is an intolerable breach of international law and a crime against humanity, unfolding in Europe now. For more information, please refer to the Statement <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.dfg.de/download/pdf/dfg_im_profil/allianz/220225_statement_allianz_ukraine_en.pdf__;!!IBzWLUs!GF_xWv2PRKKGBCqOVvrk40UMyCSSYcDuNZwJcMxEuQII6qdOQuQVaDTSEizhINMxniuAVMyPFa8$ > of Alliance of Science Organisations in Germany <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.dfg.de/en/index.jsp__;!!IBzWLUs!GF_xWv2PRKKGBCqOVvrk40UMyCSSYcDuNZwJcMxEuQII6qdOQuQVaDTSEizhINMxniuALVr5u58$ >. -Max Stewart New On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 9:05 AM Sergiy Bogomolov <bogo...@gmail.com> wrote: > [ The Types Forum, http://lists.seas.upenn.edu/mailman/listinfo/types-list > ] > > > Banning scientists from ETAPS won't do anything to bring the end of war > a step closer. > > Banning Netflix, McDonalds, Visa, Mastercard, etc., etc., from Russia, > and ceasing to purchase fossil fuels from Russia might. Banning scientific > conferences won't have any impact. > > Alastair: Thanks for your comment. I am afraid I don't really agree > with this statement. > > At this stage, the whole essence of large-scale sanctions is to > inflict pain on the Russian population, with the aim to reduce their > support of the Putin regime. > > In this context, the larger part of the population is targeted, the > more impact sanctions are going to have. > > Russian researchers are part of the whole population and one of the > ways to hit them is to prohibit their participation in international > conferences. > > In other words, I see the step of ETAPS organisers -- similar to > banning Netflix, etc. -- as yet another tool to target a particular > demographic, which the West should deploy to stop the war. > > I hope this makes sense. > > Thanks, Sergiy > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Ally > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Types-list <types-list-boun...@lists.seas.upenn.edu> on behalf of > Sergiy Bogomolov <bogo...@gmail.com> > > Sent: 09 March 2022 10:43 > > To: types <types-list@lists.seas.upenn.edu> > > Subject: Re: [TYPES] R: ETAPS bars Russian researchers from attending > > > > [ The Types Forum, > http://lists.seas.upenn.edu/mailman/listinfo/types-list ] > > > > Let me start by saying that I strongly support the ETAPS decision to > > ban the participation of Russian affiliated scientists at the > > conference. > > > > The rationale is the as follows: > > > > * The ongoing war in Ukraine is at least partially due to the weak > > response of the Western countries to the Russian invasion of Ukraine > > in 2014 and Georgia in 2008. In fact, the Western countries introduced > > very targeted sanctions which, e.g., banned some Russian officials > > from entering the US (which they did not care about anyway). At the > > same time -- exactly in line with the arguments proposed by the folks > > who want to overturn the decision of ETAPS organisers -- the broad > > Russian population did not bear the burden of the sanctions. Have > > these sanctions helped? No, they have not. In fact, these only > > reassured the Russian regime that the West is "weak" and they can go > > ahead with a fully-fledged war in Ukraine without fearing any > > implications. In other words, all the efforts to change the course of > > actions of the Russian government without negatively impacting the > > Russian population have failed. > > > > * At the same time, upon the commencement of the war in Ukraine, the > > Western governments seem to have learnt the lesson and have devised > > the sanction regime which should hurt the Russian population as a > > whole and make them finally give some thoughts about the decisions of > > their government and the fact that these might be in fact > > counterproductive to their prosperity. This is an unfortunate reality > > that the West has to resolve to this kind of approach, but I believe > > there are only a limited number of ways to stop the war without ending > > up in a direct military confrontation between the West and Russia. > > > > * To everybody who suggests overturning the decision of ETAPS > > organisers I suggest the following thought experiment. Imagine you go > > to bed without knowing you are going to be alive in the morning (as > > Russian army pursues indiscriminate bombing of residential areas; > > including the city of Kharkiv where I grew up). Imagine getting up in > > the morning and calling your relatives to check out whether they are > > still alive. If you were in such a situation, would you still be > > willing to allow the Russian affiliated scientists to participate in > > the conference? This is the reality myself and all the Ukrainians are > > living through. Now, consider whether prohibiting the participation of > > Russian affiliated scientists -- who did not participate at ETAPS en > > masse anyway -- which could bring the end of war a step closer > > outweighs the arguments to let the Russian affiliated scientists > > participate in the conference. > > > > Thanks, Sergiy > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 9 Mar 2022 at 09:50, Alejandro Díaz-Caro > > <alejan...@diaz-caro.info> wrote: > > > > > > [ The Types Forum, > http://lists.seas.upenn.edu/mailman/listinfo/types-list ] > > > > > > Dear Marino, dear all, > > > > > > El mié, 9 mar. 2022 05:05, Marino Miculan <marino.micu...@uniud.it> > > > escribió: > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I am sure that there are many colleagues there against the > > > > invasion. But then, we have to distinguish between the > responsibility of > > > > the single, and that of the institution. For instance, I would have > no > > > > problems if a researcher from a Russian university registers and > presents > > > > their results at ETAPS (or any other conference) without any > affiliation. > > > > That would be already a strong signal, as in "I'm here on my own, > and I > > > > dissociate from my rector's opinions". > > > > > > > > > > That would be even worst than the decision of banning a country by > their > > > war politics. What you are proposing there is to ask the researchers > about > > > their political personal opinion in order to be admitted to a > conference. I > > > find this completely wrong. > > > > > > Shall we also inquire Cubans if they support Fidel Castro or Americans > if > > > they support the blockade? Shall we ask Israel or Palestinians what > side of > > > the conflict they support, and let them register according to the > personal > > > stand of the organisers at the venue? > > > > > > I think that mixing politics with the scientific community at this > global > > > level is very dangerous and ultimately wrong. > > > > > > I hope this line of actions do not prosper, or we will damage the > > > scientific community for many years. > > > > > > Best, > > > Alejandro > > > > > > > >