Wow Steffen! What an accurate description of history. I must admit I almost forgot about how cool this was ;-) I have been talking with Steffen Kamper a lot about this and we came up with the idea to have a submission form on support.typo3.org that also posts to the mailinglist. SK has already put a lot of unpaid effort into the nntp reader and TYPO3 in general for which he deserves mucho credit. I have tried several times to get sponsoring from the TYPO3 association for this feature, which failed because of bureaucratic reasons as I see it. It would seem to me that this feature will really be a necessary addition to the communicaton channels of TYPO3.org. I am forwarding this once again to the TYPO3 association hoping that your story will add some extra weight.
gRTz ben Steffen Müller wrote: > Hi. > > On 14.09.2008 17:02 H. Hahn wrote: >> After all, news groups are popular within inly a limited group of >> internet users. Many serious web developers do not use news groups and >> consequently have no experience with them. Forums are much more > > Here's a little story about what happened the past few years on this "we > need a forum" issue: > > Some years ago, there was a section on typo3.org [1], which provided all > the forum stuff you were begging for. It had colors, threads, search > bars, self-explaining forms and list views, > make-a-faq-out-of-this-thread buttons and even mailing list > synchronisation for the prehistoric and/or non-serious - especially > Kasper, who used to answer on each bugreport by personal e-mail. > With TYPO3 then getting more and more popular, the number of postings > grew exponential. The TYPO3 driven forum couldn't manage the increasing > flow of "newbee agony" and became slower and slower. In the end, the > performance issues got out of control and the forum was taken offline [2]. > > Shortly afterwards, the whining about the missing forum started, but > nobody was willing to manage the refactoring of the forum on a TYPO3 > basis. Instead, some kind of "free-as-in-beer" proprietary java tool was > hyped and became part of the typo3.org subdomain family. But the project > failed very soon. I can't rememeber exactly why, but guess there were > some unresolveable but free-as-in-beer technical issues. > > Thanks to the contribution of Steffen Kamper, we now have a new forum, > which is again based on TYPO3 [3]. Basic features are implemented, we > can read and search postings. More features to come, and as always, more > contributions welcome. To make it a "real forum system" for the "serious > web developers", this projects "consequently" requires sponsoring in > terms of constructive criticism, code or money. > > I can't remember when the newsserver was exactly started [4], but it > gave us the opportunity to easily read, post and search all archived > postings since 2003 of all(!) TYPO3 lists/groups with one tool at a > maximum of speed. It was flexible, stable and fast most of the time, no > matter how much the number of postings were growing. We even did not > need to worry about presentation, because one could choose his/her > favorite client (even web based ajax solutions). > > My personal summary of the story: In the long run, the newsnet > architecture promises to be a stable basis, as it has proved in the > past. A forum would need more helping hands and has to prove to be > stable with growing demands and features. > > > [1] http://web.archive.org/web/20040219104347/http://typo3.org/1422.0.html > [2] http://web.archive.org/web/20060221142433/http://typo3.org/1422.0.html > [3] http://support.typo3.org/ > [4] > http://web.archive.org/web/20050319133844/http://typo3.org/community/mailing-lists/use-a-news-reader/ > -- netcreators :: creation and innovation www.netcreators.com - www.TYPO3.nl Interesse in werken bij Netcreators? http://www.netcreators.com/bedrijf/vacatures/ _______________________________________________ TYPO3-english mailing list TYPO3-english@lists.netfielders.de http://lists.netfielders.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/typo3-english