Andi, Great post, thanks, Virgil On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Andreas Becker <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 3:50 AM, Dmitry Dulepov <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > Andreas Becker wrote: > > > The most interesting part is that most of those who now are using TYPO3 > > used > > > Joomla or Drupal before. > > > > And vice versa... Just to be fair. > > > > This might be true in Germany but not here as TYPO3 is nearly unknown here. > South East Asia is simply Joomla Playground and people get tired of always > renewing their templates and waiting for developers being available again > to > modify their websites. Same appears to Drupal. Some customers came to us > because of the fear that the new Version of Drupal will break their > complete > sites and they realized that TYPO3 has never broken anything since 3.6 or > even 3.5. Also they realized that their sites - especially those made with > Joomla - have to much sql injection and other security problems and that > their sites are more down than up. Especially now in recession people are > looking for ways to do part of the works or even everything by themselves > without to depend to any developers. And exactly here was Joomla and Drupal > were big as people did not think about security at all. They clicked and > had > their templates. They downloaded a skin and their site looked nice. They > did > not worry at the beginning to rework the complete CMS and Template after a > new Version or Scurity update of Joomla or Drupal. They did this before the > same way like they knew it from setting up Websites with HTML or Flash. You > wanna change something ok renew everything. > > Meanwhile the word has been spread that a CMS can be much much more and > actually reduce your workload. People don't want to loose their content > with > every new update or security fix. They want to update the extensions with a > click and switch back immediately to a former version if problems occur > even > without knowledge of PHP or even programming at all. They want to modify > their templates with some few clicks. Move around content into different > mixed columns so that their website looks more like a magazine. All of this > is possible with TYPO3 and Joomla and Drupal fail completely. Modex is > actually the only one which is a bit similar but here many other major > benefits of a CMS are missing. > > Our experience is indeed that people who want a flexible and easy to handle > website switch to TYPO3. Programmers which don't like Typoscript (most of > them even don't know what it is! or have ever tried it) go to Drupal and > made Joomla before. Especially now after the release of WEC Starter Package > and Busy Noggins Starter Package Everyone - even non programmers can handle > TYPO3 websites and it is getting even more and more easier, while in Joomla > and Drupal you really depend on Developers who know PHP or SMARTY or what > else. I would say that TYPO3 is empowering people to do it by themselves > (if > they are using the framework for templavoila) and they get independent of > developers - while in Drupal, Joomla and also the TYPO3 standard templating > sites are empowering Developers to make Customers depended on them. > > i.e. > We tested Drupal, Joomla, TYPO3 standard templating from scratch, TYPO3 > standarding template Package from Mediatech, wec_starter Package, Ron Halls > Package, with students from University to find out more why they are using > or not using a CMS, Everyone had to setup a website with these Packages and > modify a template as well as ad some basic features and build up a site > structure which was flexible enough to move apply changes in position of > content and sites later on. > > TYPO3 standard templating form scratch failed completly - sorry to say > this, > but most gave up just after they had the Dummy Package installed and tried > to get a template working. - They did not like that they had to read lots > of > stuff about how to do this and often it was not very understandable for > them > to. > > The mediatech Package was liked by many. It had a very easy to understand > description from Gregs website and sites where up and running in no time. > But when they had to get the different column settings running it failed. > To > complicated to apply nice multi columns like in a newspaper or seen on many > common websites. It might change with JOEYs IRRE stuff but to be honest > until now I doubt it. > > Joomla (well we are in a Joomla world here) was at the beginning the big > favorite. But only at the beginning. People had sites up and running with a > nice looking template in nearly no time but than the problems started when > they had to modify the templates and finally it failed totally to setup a > flexible column setting which the customer could use by himself. > > Drupal was also one of the favorites but failed the same like Joomla before > when people had to modify templates and to make it flexible so that > actually > the customer can choose and set it up in columns by himself. > > Rons Package was one of the easiest to setup and the students liked the way > they were now able to apply skins. But still they had problems to get the > TYPOscript Parts running. > > The wec_starter Package was the absolute winner in all disciplines. This is > why I have since 2 weeks every day new students in my office popping up who > want to learn more about TYPO3. When you ask the students they'll tell you > that the wec Package is the easiest and the best documented CMS at all. In > really no time the students had complete websites running which really > looked sometimes like newspaper settings. Some of them started even to > collaborate with each other so one was developing a template which was than > used by others and another group buildup an extension (realty) and inserted > demo content and with using .t3d import export feature at the end everybody > had the realty stuff also working in his own site in no time. No one had > problem with Jesus inside. They figured immediately out how to deactivate > the wec_about and how to change the wordings and extensions, i.e. the > jobboard. What they also liked was the "Feature" Settings in wec config. > With a click they were able to activate and deactivate complete branches. > > To be fair we need to share another experience we made while doing this CMS > experiment. There were some programming "Gurus" under the students and they > - but only them liked the standard templating methode and digged deeper in > the code and also they liked Drupal more than the wec_starter package. In > their opinon the wec_starter package was no programming anymore and they > did > not like this. Most graphic and design people liked most the wec_starter > Package - actually the skins - but they had problems to get some HTML parts > into the TYPOscripts of the skins. > > Go out and test yourself. It would be interesting to hear from your > experiences too. > > Andi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Dmitry Dulepov > > TYPO3 expert / TYPO3 security team member Read more @ > > http://dmitry-dulepov.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > TYPO3-english mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.typo3.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/typo3-english > > > _______________________________________________ > TYPO3-english mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.typo3.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/typo3-english > -- Please note new phone number Virgil Huston COO, Acqal Corporation - An Approved TYPO3 Agency for Support, Training, and Website Migration +1 (803) 426-3355 * Fax +1 (866) 275-7385 Read more at www.Acqal.com/blog _______________________________________________ TYPO3-english mailing list [email protected] http://lists.typo3.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/typo3-english
